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****Official 2017 NBA Playoffs Thread****
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Round 1:

EAST:

#8 Bulls @ #1 Celtics
#7 Pacers @ #2 Cavs
#6 Bucks @ #3 Raptors
#5 Hawks @ #4 Wizards

WEST:
#8 Blazers @ #1 Warriors
#7 Grizzlies @ #2 Spurs
#6 Thunder @ #3 Rockets
#5 Jazz @ #4 Clippers
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Old 05-26-2017, 01:29 PM   #1021
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Old 05-26-2017, 01:31 PM   #1022
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Fair enough. Who are you taking?
I dunno.

Warriors are tough but the cavs can score with them.should be a good series


I'll go warriors in 7
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:32 PM   #1023
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That '98 Jazz team was not that good. In fact, neither was the '97 Jazz team either.

The West was weak at that point. It was before Shaq and Kobe established themselves, before Duncan matured, after Robinson, Hakeem, and Barkley's primes.

The best team the Bulls played in the Finals was the '93 Suns.

You basically had 3 all-star caliber players on that 98 Jazz team; 2 of them being hall of famers.

You had everything: an elite point guard that could score and distribute the basketball. There's a reason he's at least top 5 on pretty much every all-time point guard list.

Jeff Hornacek was a very good shooting guard who proved to be one of the best shooting guards in the NBA when he was with Phoenix and Philadelphia (scoring averages went down and understandably so when he went to Utah)

Malone was the most complete power forward of all-time. He was pretty much unstoppable.

He also murdered Charles Barkley when they went head-to-head:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/....fcgi?id=ErRvm

That team was better than any other team that didn't win a title in the 90's, and better than the Warriors of last year.
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Old 05-26-2017, 04:42 PM   #1024
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MJ gets a pass for all his flaws. What planet are you living on. Lebron is a better scorer, rebounder and passer than Jordan was and it's not even close. Has titles with two different teams and beat a 73 win team and a legendary Spurs team in the finals. Led his teams in points, rebounds and assists along the way.

No player but him has ever done that. MJ couldn't even come close those stats.
No one that goes to the Finals and puts up 17 points as a series average can be considered a 'better scorer than Jordan'. That's ridiculous.

And everyone likes to quote assist numbers concerning Lebron: how well did those high assist numbers work against the 11 Mavs?
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:03 PM   #1025
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The Celtics got blown out all 3 games at home and showed no real effort in any of them. It wouldn't surprise if Stevens isn't fired, he was already on the hot seat. Very good X's and O's guy but can't seem to motivate anybody.
Wait...what? That roster had no business winning over 50 games. He obviously got them motivated plenty well. It was a maxed out roster that got exposed in the playoffs because they weren't that good.

Who, other than San Antonio, would take their coach over Stevens? Miami? Dallas?

The Warriors just swept through the West with Mike ****in' Brown, so it's hard for me to believe that Kerr is important beyond not being Mark Jackson.
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:39 PM   #1027
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Wait...what? That roster had no business winning over 50 games. He obviously got them motivated plenty well. It was a maxed out roster that got exposed in the playoffs because they weren't that good.

Who, other than San Antonio, would take their coach over Stevens? Miami? Dallas?

The Warriors just swept through the West with Mike ****in' Brown, so it's hard for me to believe that Kerr is important beyond not being Mark Jackson.
Lol wut?

I'm pretty sure Mark Jackson could coach the Warriors to a championship with KD at this point. It doesn't take away from the job Kerr did to get that thing rolling either way.
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You basically had 3 all-star caliber players on that 98 Jazz team; 2 of them being hall of famers.

You had everything: an elite point guard that could score and distribute the basketball. There's a reason he's at least top 5 on pretty much every all-time point guard list.

Jeff Hornacek was a very good shooting guard who proved to be one of the best shooting guards in the NBA when he was with Phoenix and Philadelphia (scoring averages went down and understandably so when he went to Utah)

Malone was the most complete power forward of all-time. He was pretty much unstoppable.

He also murdered Charles Barkley when they went head-to-head:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/....fcgi?id=ErRvm

That team was better than any other team that didn't win a title in the 90's, and better than the Warriors of last year.
I just don't agree with that analysis at all.

Stockton and Malone were great, but they were in their mid-30's at that point. They weren't what they were.

Hornacek was mostly a spot up shooter at that point, long removed from being a borderline All-Star player.

Everyone else was a role player.

Malone was still better than the '96 version of Kemp, but Gary Payton was a better player at that point than John Stockton, and Hersey Hawkins and Detlef Schrempf were better than anyone else on the Jazz roster.

The Jazz did have a superior coach, however, but they are overrated.

Also, the '98 Pacers were not that good. The last Bulls team was running on fumes. Pippen was hurt most of that postseason, Rodman's life was in full meltdown mode despite Jordan intervening to get him to stop partying, and Jordan was 35.

The best Bulls teams were, in order:

'95-'96
'91-'92
'96-'97
'90-'91
'92-'93
'97-'98

The best team they faced was Phoenix, followed by the '92-'93 Knicks, then Seattle.
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Old 05-26-2017, 05:54 PM   #1029
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Wait...what? That roster had no business winning over 50 games. He obviously got them motivated plenty well. It was a maxed out roster that got exposed in the playoffs because they weren't that good.

Who, other than San Antonio, would take their coach over Stevens? Miami? Dallas?

The Warriors just swept through the West with Mike ****in' Brown, so it's hard for me to believe that Kerr is important beyond not being Mark Jackson.
Kerr is the architect of their offense post Mark Jackson. His philosophy/x's and o's are a big reason why they turned the corner and are a championship caliber team.
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I just don't agree with that analysis at all.

Stockton and Malone were great, but they were in their mid-30's at that point. They weren't what they were.

Hornacek was mostly a spot up shooter at that point, long removed from being a borderline All-Star player.

Everyone else was a role player.

Malone was still better than the '96 version of Kemp, but Gary Payton was a better player at that point than John Stockton, and Hersey Hawkins and Detlef Schrempf were better than anyone else on the Jazz roster.

The Jazz did have a superior coach, however, but they are overrated.

Also, the '98 Pacers were not that good. The last Bulls team was running on fumes. Pippen was hurt most of that postseason, Rodman's life was in full meltdown mode despite Jordan intervening to get him to stop partying, and Jordan was 35.

The best Bulls teams were, in order:

'95-'96
'91-'92
'96-'97
'90-'91
'92-'93
'97-'98

The best team they faced was Phoenix, followed by the '92-'93 Knicks, then Seattle.

Malone was the MVP of the league in 1997 (34) and 1999 (36). He was at his very best at a later age. He was light-years ahead of Kemp.

In regards to Stockton v Payton they're not similar players. Stockton is more of a creator and Payton was more of a scorer. It would come down to personnel and who you have around each point guard. But remember, Payton did say Stockton was the hardest player he's ever had to guard.

Just because Hornacek's game changed a bit in that offense doesn't mean he was just a spot up shooter. He could still run the point and score one on one.

The Jazz also dominated the Sonics in 97 and no one past or present has run the pick and roll like the Jazz. Their continuity surpassed every team in the NBA except the Bulls.

But you're right, that Sonics team was very good. It just attests to Jordan's greatness.

I'd go Jazz then Sonics as the toughest teams Jordan faced in the 90's.
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You basically had 3 all-star caliber players on that 98 Jazz team; 2 of them being hall of famers.

You had everything: an elite point guard that could score and distribute the basketball. There's a reason he's at least top 5 on pretty much every all-time point guard list.

Jeff Hornacek was a very good shooting guard who proved to be one of the best shooting guards in the NBA when he was with Phoenix and Philadelphia (scoring averages went down and understandably so when he went to Utah)

Malone was the most complete power forward of all-time. He was pretty much unstoppable.

He also murdered Charles Barkley when they went head-to-head:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/....fcgi?id=ErRvm

That team was better than any other team that didn't win a title in the 90's, and better than the Warriors of last year.
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Wait...what? That roster had no business winning over 50 games. He obviously got them motivated plenty well. It was a maxed out roster that got exposed in the playoffs because they weren't that good.

Who, other than San Antonio, would take their coach over Stevens? Miami? Dallas?

The Warriors just swept through the West with Mike ****in' Brown, so it's hard for me to believe that Kerr is important beyond not being Mark Jackson.
Yeah, the only reason Boston "won" the East was because they tried harder than everyone else (because it certainly wasn't their talent, they had very little of it). Effort was definitely not a problem for them.

I'd take Stevens over the vast majority of coaches in this league.
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Yeah, the only reason Boston "won" the East was because they tried harder than everyone else (because it certainly wasn't their talent, they had very little of it). Effort was definitely not a problem for them.

I'd take Stevens over the vast majority of coaches in this league.
Yeah, Stevens should be considered for coach of the year, not the hot seat.
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Yeah, Stevens should be considered for coach of the year, not the hot seat.
I like to browse this thread and learn what I can, so I may have missed it. Is someone, here or anywhere, dumb enough to suggest Brad Stevens is on the hot seat? That's insane.
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There's actually been a bit of heat on Twitter about Stevens being in trouble. I have no idea where it comes from or why anyone thinks it's a good idea.
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