Chiefs *****The Joshua Kaindoh Thread***** - Page 9

kccrow · 05-03-2021, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It’s a fifth round pick. If you want measurables and production, you ain’t getting that player in the 5th

Absolute bullshit.

I'll point to Daviyon Nixon and Jamar Johnson as two shining examples of it this year.

Late 4th to early 5th you can still get some talented players. Look at guys at the end of the 4th last year in Sneed and Gabriel Davis.

They exist and capitalizing on them often pays dividends.

tredadda · 05-03-2021, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Absolute bullshit.

I'll point to Daviyon Nixon and Jamar Johnson as two shining examples of it this year.

Late 4th to early 5th you can still get some talented players. Look at guys at the end of the 4th last year in Sneed and Gabriel Davis.

They exist and capitalizing on them often pays dividends.

And we know those two guys are gonna pan out? Just because "expert" mock drafts think these guys will be good doesn't mean our FO agrees. There will be 1st Rounders who bust out. I will trust the system with these guys. If there is anyone who can unlock his potential it is Daly and Spags. If he doesn't pan out then we try again.

RunKC · 05-02-2021, 10:09 AM

It was definitely the measurables that we loved with this kid. That 10 yard split is elite. And his 3 cone is also really good for a guy his size. Main thing I worry about is those tall guys getting bend. It’s difficult for them to do that effectively.

I’m looking at the 10 yard splits and this kid was better than almost every DL minus Rousseau who had a 1.57 time.

Which reminds me...I’m pretty confident in saying that if Fisher never gets hurt than Rousseau would be a Chief today. Veach would have made the move to get him.

Which sucks bc the Bills got him and I think he’s gonna be good.

staylor26 · 05-02-2021, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

It was definitely the measurables that we loved with this kid. That 10 yard split is elite. And his 3 cone is also really good for a guy his size. Main thing I worry about is those tall guys getting bend. It’s difficult for them to do that effectively.

I’m looking at the 10 yard splits and this kid was better than almost every DL minus Rousseau who had a 1.57 time.

Which reminds me...I’m pretty confident in saying that if Fisher never gets hurt than Rousseau would be a Chief today. Veach would have made the move to get him.

Which sucks bc the Bills got him and I think he’s gonna be good.

He’s about as bendy as you’re going to get at his size.

O.city · 05-02-2021, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

He’s about as bendy as you’re going to get at his size.

It always cracks me up when guys complain about bend or route running.

“He’s 6”5 and isn’t a great route runner because he’s stiff”

Well no shit. Physics isn’t going to allow him to not be stiff he’s ****ing huge

staylor26 · 05-02-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It always cracks me up when guys complain about bend or route running.

“He’s 6”5 and isn’t a great route runner because he’s stiff”

Well no shit. Physics isn’t going to allow him to not be stiff he’s ****ing huge

Exactly.

RunKC · 05-02-2021, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It always cracks me up when guys complain about bend or route running.

“He’s 6”5 and isn’t a great route runner because he’s stiff”

Well no shit. Physics isn’t going to allow him to not be stiff he’s ****ing huge

Uh that’s the point of my post. So thanks for elaborating

Chris Meck · 05-02-2021, 10:39 AM

I think philosophically, The Chiefs draft plan was really solid.

Take smart, productive football players that will be starters sooner than later in round 2, albeit in less 'premier' positions but do NOT reach for 'premier' positions.

In middle and late rounds, take high upside athletes with high football character and give them elite coaching to get the most of their talent.

Every one of these guys has a better shot than most to be contributors, and I'll bet that at least one is a star in the near future.

I think Kaindoh was potential to be great, I really do. You cannot coach that length, or that explosiveness. He's the exact opposite of Danna (who I like, but who's limited due to lack of those attributes).

Chris Meck · 05-02-2021, 11:53 AM

Kaindoh is either going to be a STAR, multiple pro-bowler double digit sack guy, or he's going to be selling used cars in 2023. There isn't a middle ground for him, and I'm totally fine with taking that swing.

**SAGA45** · 05-02-2021, 01:56 PM

Kaindoh is easily the least exciting pick of this class for me. The physical potential is off the charts but that complete lack of expected college production sets off alarms. Sounds like he was a bust in college given how highly touted of a recruit he was.

I understand poor coaching and player development but still, there have been physically gifted players that played well and, in some cases, dominated at the collegiate level, despite a lack of honed technique and were considered raw coming into the league. On the flipside, there's countless examples of those types of guys being trash in the league so perhaps Kaindoh will be the opposite?...a collegiate bust but an NFL beast.

That'd be quite the story. Time will tell but can't I honestly say I'm optimistic but hoping he pans out given that he's a Chief.

JakeF · 05-02-2021, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SAGA45

Kaindoh is easily the least exciting pick of this class for me.

Yep.

I'm pretty stoked about the guys we drafted this year and everyone says i'm mr. negative so that should tell you how good our draft looks this year.

Kaindoh is my least favorite by far.

Basham was so close to our picks and a way better option.

I like Creed at center but there Green was still there as well.

I dunno, just disappointing.

Hope Kaindoh surprises, i guess.

Chris Meck · 05-02-2021, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Yep.

I'm pretty stoked about the guys we drafted this year and everyone says i'm mr. negative so that should tell you how good our draft looks this year.

Kaindoh is my least favorite by far.

Basham was so close to our picks and a way better option.

I like Creed at center but there Green was still there as well.

I dunno, just disappointing.

Hope Kaindoh surprises, i guess.

Basham's ceiling is Okafor.

Kaindoh's ceiling is double digit sacks every year, pro-bowler. Injuries and poor coaching is why he fell. Athletically, he's off the charts.

Basham was the safer pick; he's unlikely to bust completely. His floor is like...Mike Danna.

Kaindoh may be out of football in two years.

OR he may be a star.

Dante84 · 05-02-2021, 01:30 PM

I really don’t know what to make of this pick. I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

staylor26 · 05-02-2021, 02:03 PM

Florida State had 5 day 3 or UDFA guys with great measurables/talent that all underachieved in college and went late in the draft:

Janarius Robinson
Josh Kaindoh
Hamsah Nasirildeen
Marvin Wilson
Tamorrion Terry

If that doesn’t make it obvious what the issue was, I don’t know what will.

RunKC · 05-02-2021, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Florida State had 5 day 3 or UDFA guys with great measurables/talent that all underachieved in college and went late in the draft:

Janarius Robinson
Josh Kaindoh
Hamsah Nasirildeen
Marvin Wilson
Tamorrion Terry

If that doesn’t make it obvious what the issue was, I don’t know what will.

That’s why I wouldn’t expect too much from him this year. He hasn’t had good coaching and needs time to build technique.

He should be thrilled to work with Spags and Daley

05-02-2021, 10:09 AM	#3
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1929611	It was definitely the measurables that we loved with this kid. That 10 yard split is elite. And his 3 cone is also really good for a guy his size. Main thing I worry about is those tall guys getting bend. It’s difficult for them to do that effectively. I’m looking at the 10 yard splits and this kid was better than almost every DL minus Rousseau who had a 1.57 time. Which reminds me...I’m pretty confident in saying that if Fisher never gets hurt than Rousseau would be a Chief today. Veach would have made the move to get him. Which sucks bc the Bills got him and I think he’s gonna be good. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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05-02-2021, 10:39 AM	#8
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1664910	I think philosophically, The Chiefs draft plan was really solid. Take smart, productive football players that will be starters sooner than later in round 2, albeit in less 'premier' positions but do NOT reach for 'premier' positions. In middle and late rounds, take high upside athletes with high football character and give them elite coaching to get the most of their talent. Every one of these guys has a better shot than most to be contributors, and I'll bet that at least one is a star in the near future. I think Kaindoh was potential to be great, I really do. You cannot coach that length, or that explosiveness. He's the exact opposite of Danna (who I like, but who's limited due to lack of those attributes).
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05-02-2021, 11:53 AM	#9
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $1664910	Kaindoh is either going to be a STAR, multiple pro-bowler double digit sack guy, or he's going to be selling used cars in 2023. There isn't a middle ground for him, and I'm totally fine with taking that swing.
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05-02-2021, 01:56 PM	#10
SAGA45 Supporter Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Compton, CA Casino cash: $4384955	Kaindoh is easily the least exciting pick of this class for me. The physical potential is off the charts but that complete lack of expected college production sets off alarms. Sounds like he was a bust in college given how highly touted of a recruit he was. I understand poor coaching and player development but still, there have been physically gifted players that played well and, in some cases, dominated at the collegiate level, despite a lack of honed technique and were considered raw coming into the league. On the flipside, there's countless examples of those types of guys being trash in the league so perhaps Kaindoh will be the opposite?...a collegiate bust but an NFL beast. That'd be quite the story. Time will tell but can't I honestly say I'm optimistic but hoping he pans out given that he's a Chief.
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $1459040	Florida State had 5 day 3 or UDFA guys with great measurables/talent that all underachieved in college and went late in the draft: Janarius Robinson Josh Kaindoh Hamsah Nasirildeen Marvin Wilson Tamorrion Terry If that doesn’t make it obvious what the issue was, I don’t know what will.
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