Official discussion thread on Andy’s late game conservative play calling

[BigRedChief]

It’s a continuing thing from Philly. Why can’t he learn or change?

I and the Chief fans I was with were so pissed off at Andy being conservative again at the end of the game. 2 and 6. You get the 1st down. That’s it, game over. I would be trusting Mahomes to get 6 yards in two tries over trusting our defense.

Almost burned us again just last week. Came close to blowing a another game with conservative play calling.

Come on Andy, your a HOF coach but it’s time to rethink this late game conservative strategy. Trust in Mahomes to get it done.

[O.city]

The OL played it's first game together in like 2 months, it showed.

Andy definitely went conservative, they had the "lets get the hell out of here with a lead and a win" mentality.

It worked out barely, but if they lose that's one that's tough to live down.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

That your narrative is full of shit... What play calls would you have made differently last night in the final 5 minutes...

The comment wasn't about the playcalling. It's about the mentality on the field of playing not to lose when we're up. Maybe the qb is trying too hard not to make mistakes. Maybe the offense lacks confidence they can close games. I don't know. I just know somethings not right. If it's not playcalling, what is it? Or do we need to come up with a different set of excuses each game? Maybe it's systemic. Not one thing or the other.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

pepperidge farms remembers just a few weeks ago when everyone was bitching that Andy should have ran the ball more late in the game.

That is not the point.

The point is why is a third string RB the Chiefs featured offensive weapon... both running and in the passing game... on the majority of the plays on those critical last two drives (before the kneel down)?

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

That is not the point.

The point is why is a third string RB the Chiefs featured offensive weapon... both running and in the passing game... on the majority of the plays on those critical last two drives (before the kneel down)?

Well uh, what other runningback were they going to use? Barry Sanders?

[O.city]

He's been so so awesome, we tend to forget, this was Mahomes what, 26th ish start?

I mean, it's the worst game he's played as a Chief. It's ok. He's 23 and in his second year as the starter. Guys have stinkers.

[scho63]

Andy Reid nego thread #1,622

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Well uh, what other runningback were they going to use? Barry Sanders?

I think it is legal to pass the ball to other players besides Darrel Williams.

Kelce? Hardman? Watkins? DRob?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

He's been so so awesome, we tend to forget, this was Mahomes what, 26th ish start?

I mean, it's the worst game he's played as a Chief. It's ok. He's 23 and in his second year as the starter. Guys have stinkers.

The stinker of a game doesn't bother me. That will get figured out. Maybe the bad 4th quarter was an extension of that. Maybe it was circumstantial with injuries and exhaustion. You can claim those are one off problems. But what is a consistent trend is that mahomes qb rating is SIGNIFICANTLY lower when we are protecting a lead. Going back to his mvp year too. I'll have to go back to the #s but I think last year every stat was dramatically worse.

Mahomes has been unstoppable in the first few quarters. An outstanding closer in close games and when he's behind. He has not been good when we're protecting a lead. I don't know if it's mahomes or if it's Reid. But seeing that this problem has followed Reid for decades across lots of qbs, I'm going to say it's a Reid thing.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

your latest act that is a combination of Nick Athan-wannabe failed Chiefs "insider" and blind homer is hilariously lame.

Last two Chiefs' offensive drives of the game before the kneel down... 6 of the 9 non-punting plays involved a run or screen pass attempt to Darrel Williams.

Drive #1:

1st & 10 at KC 42
(6:07 - 4th) D.Williams left guard to KC 45 for 3 yards (D.Perryman; M.Ingram).

2nd & 7 at KC 45
(5:27 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass short left to D.Williams to KC 49 for 4 yards (J.Watkins).

3rd & 3 at KC 49
(4:44 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes pass incomplete short left to D.Williams (M.Ingram).

4th & 3 at KC 49
(4:30 - 4th) (Punt formation) D.Colquitt punts 34 yards to LAC 17, Center-J.Winchester, downed by KC-D.Williams.

Drive #2:

1st & 10 at KC 33
(4:13 - 4th) D.Williams left guard to KC 36 for 3 yards (D.Perryman).

2nd & 7 at KC 36
(3:30 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes scrambles right end to KC 37 for 1 yard (K.White).

(3:20 - 4th) Timeout #1 by LAC at 03:20.

3rd & 6 at KC 37
(3:20 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes scrambles left end to LAC 48 for 15 yards (J.Watkins).

(3:11 - 4th) Timeout #2 by LAC at 03:11.

1st & 10 at LAC 48
(3:11 - 4th) D.Williams right guard to LAC 44 for 4 yards (T.Davis; R.Jenkins).

(3:03 - 4th) Timeout #3 by LAC at 03:03.

2nd & 6 at LAC 44
(3:03 - 4th) D.Williams up the middle to LAC 42 for 2 yards (J.Bosa, D.Square).

3rd & 4 at LAC 42
(2:21 - 4th) (Shotgun) P.Mahomes sacked at LAC 44 for -2 yards (M.Ingram). LAC-M.Ingram was injured during the play. His return is Questionable.

(2:00 - 4th) Two-Minute Warning

4th & 6 at LAC 44
(1:53 - 4th) (Punt formation) D.Colquitt punts 35 yards to LAC 9, Center-J.Winchester, fair catch by T.Pope.

Still scratching my head over that.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

I think it is legal to pass the ball to other players besides Darrel Williams.

Kelce? Hardman? Watkins? DRob?

Sure is, but most of those plays on the passing front weren't screens and that's where Pat made the decision to go with the ball. How is that on Andy Reid?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The stinker of a game doesn't bother me. That will get figured out. Maybe the bad 4th quarter was an extension of that. Maybe it was circumstantial with injuries and exhaustion. You can claim those are one off problems. But what is a consistent trend is that mahomes qb rating is SIGNIFICANTLY lower when we are protecting a lead. Going back to his mvp year too. I'll have to go back to the #s but I think last year every stat was dramatically worse.

Mahomes has been unstoppable in the first quarter. An outstanding closer in close games and when he's behind. He has not been good when we're protecting a lead. I don't know if it's mahomes or if it's Reid. But seeing that this problem has followed Reid for decades across lots of qbs, I'm going to say it's a Reid thing.

Well, he's a 2nd year starter that's never had to manage the game before. Look at him in college and such. He's always played aggressive and balls to the wall.

When you get leads, the first thing you want to do is extend it. Second being not giving the opponent an easy score or a short field and let them back in it.

I think this is where the running game or lack there of hurts KC.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

I think it is legal to pass the ball to other players besides Darrel Williams.

Kelce? Hardman? Watkins? DRob?

man did you even see the final ****ing play we ran

****

[O.city]

Fisher was struggling last night, Schwartz is banged up and they were facing Ingram and Bosa (they're both really good) so they had to do what they had to do.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

your latest act that is a combination of Nick Athan-wannabe failed Chiefs "insider" and blind homer is hilariously lame.

Last two Chiefs' offensive drives of the game before the kneel down... 6 of the 9 non-punting plays involved a run or screen pass attempt to Darrel Williams.

there were no screen passes to williams here

moron

there was a flat pass where williams was WIDE OPEN because ANDY made a GREAT CALL

that mahomes

failed

to

execute

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Sure is, but most of those plays on the passing front weren't screens and that's where Pat made the decision to go with the ball. How is that on Andy Reid?

Screen pass to Darrel Williams was the primary option on all of those plays.

I don’t have a problem with a high % short pass... but why not use Hardman or Watkins on a bubble screen type play rather than exclusively going to Darrel Williams.

Nothing against Darrel Williams but there are better options to throw the ball to in those crucial plays that could have allowed the offense to close out the game.