Overreaction from last night: Cut Eric Fisher after 2018

[RealSNR]

He's got an out in his extension. We'll eat some dead cap, but we should end up saving overall.

The guy is, was, and always will be a pussy. He even looks ****ing tiny. The NFL LTs I've always seen dominate the game have been behmoths like John Alt, Orlando Pace, and Willie Roaf. Fisher looks like a goddamn TE out there. We were waiting after his first season to bulk up in the NFL strength and conditioning offseason program. Has that ever ****ing happened? Sure as hell doesn't look like it.

He's inconsistent but mostly he just plays with zero toughness. Always has. And I'd rather not force our beautiful new QB to play behind such a limp-dicked dweeb.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As a duo, they very well might.

The Chiefs have bookends they can pretty much leave on an island and know they'll get the job done 90% of the time. You can't go empty as often as we do if you don't have guys you trust at LT and RT.

Think of how often we assign those guys a lock-down role and they come through. It's a luxury that few teams have.

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Mahomes quick release and pocket awareness inflate our OLine a ton imo.

I think you have some of both.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Molitoth

Mahomes quick release and pocket awareness inflate our OLine a ton imo.

Helps cover for the interior, no question.

But those outside guys are doing work, man. And yes, Mahomes helps, but there's no way Reid exposes Mahomes to those rushers by having Fisher and Schwartz operate without help as often as he does if he isn't completely confident in them.

Neither guy is Munoz, to be sure - but they're both good players and having 2 guys like that to prevent teams from just rolling their rush to one side or the other gives Reid a ton of latitude.

When Reid spent most of the 2nd half of that Steelers game rolling empty formations, you knew we were onto something with these tackles. That's just not something you do with a rookie QB on the road against a defense that likes to get after QBs if you don't trust those dudes.

As is the case with everything in the league - it's all relative. But if you go down the list, you'd have a damn hard time finding bookend tackles you'd swap with ours. You'll find better individuals, but I can't think of a better pair.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Helps cover for the interior, no question.

But those outside guys are doing work, man. And yes, Mahomes helps, but there's no way Reid exposes Mahomes to those rushers by having Fisher and Schwartz operate without help as often as he does if he isn't completely confident in them.

Neither guy is Munoz, to be sure - but they're both good players and having 2 guys like that to prevent teams from just rolling their rush to one side or the other gives Reid a ton of latitude.

When Reid spent most of the 2nd half of that Steelers game rolling empty formations, you knew we were onto something with these tackles. That's just not something you do with a rookie QB on the road against a defense that likes to get after QBs if you don't trust those dudes.

As is the case with everything in the league - it's all relative. But if you go down the list, you'd have a damn hard time finding bookend tackles you'd swap with ours. You'll find better individuals, but I can't think of a better pair.

Isn't it crazy how terrible Alex made this line look. I remember arguing with a couple of guys that said Alex never had enough time to go deep. If you watched the game you'd see Alex run into multiple sacks.

[DT#58]

Fisher and Schwartz are doing a decent job at the tackles.
Fisher will never live up to his draft position but hes a hell of a lot better than his first couple years.
And Schwartz is a solid RT.
The problem on the OLine is at center especially if Morse is done
What needs to be fixed is the D and thats where the resources must be spent.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Isn't it crazy how terrible Alex made this line look. I remember arguing with a couple of guys that said Alex never had enough time to go deep. If you watched the game you'd see Alex run into multiple sacks.

I don't think Mahomes will ever get us to a point where we don't need to invest draft capital or cap space into ensuring we have strong tackles.

But he'll damn sure allow us to save some resources on guys up the middle. As much as I like LDT, Mahomes is making him appear to be a luxury item. We don't do much running from under center and running from the shotgun is more about group blocking and vision from the RB than it is your interior winning battles.

So in the coming years, I'd expect we'll save a fair amount of money by scrimping a bit at G and possibly C. Mahomes makes that possible.

[JakeF]

Is Fisher worthy of being the 1st pick of the draft? No. Is he a solid left tackle who helps our team? Yes.

It's a good thing that our OT's are more reliable than the rest of our offensive line. Fisher is playing well but still has a problem with penalties. I think he's made 5 of them, false starts have to stop.

I don't understand why we are having such a problem finding decent interior offensive linemen. It would be nice to have some inside guys who could really run block.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

As a duo, they very well might.

The Chiefs have bookends they can pretty much leave on an island and know they'll get the job done 90% of the time. You can't go empty as often as we do if you don't have guys you trust at LT and RT.

Think of how often we assign those guys a lock-down role and they come through. It's a luxury that few teams have.

Harris helps with that as well. They occasionally have him block outsider rushers by himself and he's done a nice job.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Helps cover for the interior, no question.

But those outside guys are doing work, man. And yes, Mahomes helps, but there's no way Reid exposes Mahomes to those rushers by having Fisher and Schwartz operate without help as often as he does if he isn't completely confident in them.

Neither guy is Munoz, to be sure - but they're both good players and having 2 guys like that to prevent teams from just rolling their rush to one side or the other gives Reid a ton of latitude.

When Reid spent most of the 2nd half of that Steelers game rolling empty formations, you knew we were onto something with these tackles. That's just not something you do with a rookie QB on the road against a defense that likes to get after QBs if you don't trust those dudes.

As is the case with everything in the league - it's all relative. But if you go down the list, you'd have a damn hard time finding bookend tackles you'd swap with ours. You'll find better individuals, but I can't think of a better pair.

Chiefs are paying top dollar for those 2 guys. Each one is Top 4 in cap hit at their position. Be interesting to see how things play out in the future.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Is Fisher worthy of being the 1st pick of the draft? No. Is he a solid left tackle who helps our team? Yes.

It's a good thing that our OT's are more reliable than the rest of our offensive line. Fisher is playing well but still has a problem with penalties. I think he's made 5 of them, false starts have to stop.

I don't understand why we are having such a problem finding decent interior offensive linemen. It would be nice to have some inside guys who could really run block.

We aren't having trouble. At all. Our interior has been especially impressive given the injuries. Not sure what you're watching at all.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Is Fisher worthy of being the 1st pick of the draft? No. Is he a solid left tackle who helps our team? Yes.

It's a good thing that our OT's are more reliable than the rest of our offensive line. Fisher is playing well but still has a problem with penalties. I think he's made 5 of them, false starts have to stop.

I don't understand why we are having such a problem finding decent interior offensive linemen. It would be nice to have some inside guys who could really run block.

Yeah, he's had 4 or 5. The damn false starts at home are going to drive me to drinking, that's for sure but he's not the only culprit by any stretch. And of his penalties I'm thinking only 1 has been a hold. Halfway through the season, that's pretty damn impressive.

And if my memory serves he's only given up 1 sack this year.

He's not All Pro caliber, but he's at the very least approaching Pro Bowl level. He's good. He's not great and in a perfect world he's more of a mid-teens overall pick. You get that guy at 14 you're pretty damn happy. But there's just nothing you can do when you go 1.1 for what was almost certainly the worst draft in modern NFL history.

As for the interior lineman - I mean damn, we're down 3 of them. And LDT is absolutely a pro bowl caliber player. Erving is probably about on par with what most teams have at LG. Morse is very good when healthy. I wouldn't say we're having a problem getting good interior lineman, but we're having a problem keeping them on the field for sure.

If anything, with the production the Chiefs have gotten out of late picks like LDT/Fulton, not to mention credible efforts from street FAs like Witzmann, I'd say the Chiefs have actually excelled at building an interior line. But we work from the shotgun a LOT and that's just not an easy way to run the football, especially between the tackles. Some of our struggles running inside are due to scheme. And to be honest, we're still better at that than most.

[jjchieffan]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Heard a national guy on the radio the other day (Gannon?) say they KC has the best 2 tackles in all of football. Wow, that's quite a statement!

I heard it. And IIRC, I believe that he was saying that was Von Miller's take. Which is pretty high praise. A top pass rusher in the league that had gone up against just about every teams tackles says that ours are the best. He should know.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

I heard it. And IIRC, I believe that he was saying that was Confused Miller's take. Which is pretty high praise. A top pass rusher in the league that had gone up against just about every teams tackles says that ours are the best. He should know.

Andy Reid has always been a vocal proponent of the ol' "shell concept" so that's not shocking at all.

This team really is Andy's wet dream. Everything he's always said about team building points to this squad. Though he's changed his tune a bit from the past - he used to include edge-rusher in that shell concept theory of his but of late he's talked about how the game is moving away from edge rushers and towards interior pressure.

I'm not sure I agree with him but I hear what he's trying to say. Yeah, QBs get the ball out faster now and it's easier to scheme a good edge rusher out through quick passes. That said, now that it's easier and easier to score, you may see more teams trying to use those longer developing plays to keep pace. Now that 3-4 stops in a game will lose it for you, the short passing game leaves you a little exposed if you have a holding call or a drop.

Something has to give, right? The same guys that are saying "Bend but don't break" is the modern trend of NFL defenses are saying that offenses want to use the short passing game. Well...isn't that exactly what bend but don't break defenses WANT you to do? There has to be a 'zag' coming offensively and if it's towards more aggressive downfield passing, then the edge rushers will be as important as ever.

[jjchieffan]

You quoted me before I fixed my typo I see. Stupid spell check changed Von to confused and I didn't see it until I had posted it

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

You quoted me before I fixed my typo I see. Stupid spell check changed Von to confused and I didn't see it until I had posted it

I was hoping it was a fresh new nickname the kids are using these days that I was unaware of...

[Bump]

what an awful year that was to have the #1 pick