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Old 11-04-2013, 05:32 PM  
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****Official 2014 STL Cardinals thread ****
2011 WS Championship
2012 one win from another WS
2013 two wins from another WS title
2014?
  • This is a franchise that has made the postseason 10 times in the last 14 seasons.
  • Reached three World Series in the last decade, and won as many championships (two) the past eight seasons as it did from 1965 to 2005.
  • Our new Manager has more post season experience than any other manager in baseball, except the Giants manager.
  • Three million attendance? Take it to the bank.
  • 60 post season wins since 2004. 20+ wins more than any other team.
  • Only one of the last 14 seasons has been a losing one.
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Old 05-04-2014, 07:48 PM   #1006
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Why?
Lynn is not an Ace but he is better than than an average LH just another guy and you are talking about giving up him, Craig, and another guy for just another guy.

Lynn may never be great but he will be Ok and Craig will eventually be fine. Which is a slightly above average ML hitter.
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Old 05-04-2014, 07:49 PM   #1007
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If all you get out of Craig is a slightly above average ML hitter, he's severely overpaid and over played.
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Old 05-04-2014, 07:51 PM   #1008
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If all you get out of Craig is a slightly above average ML hitter, he's severely overpaid and over played.
That wasn't the question.

And how do you overplay an above average hitter?
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The Cardinals do not need starting pitching.
The only pitcher would be at the deadline for someone like Price. Waino/Price/Wacha would take us far in the playoffs. But I'm sure they are going to want way too much for Price to make it a sensible deal for us.
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Craig's contract and his power decline makes him essentially a worthless trade commodity at this point.
This! He helps us with his bat, he increases his trade worth but then if that's happening, why would we want to trade him?
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Old 05-04-2014, 07:53 PM   #1010
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That wasn't the question.
The question was why you don't trade them. You said Craig is essentially an average MLB hitter, making him a negative WAR player as he doesn't have a position that he's league average at defensively.

So it doesn't matter if it was the question or not, by answering the first question the way you did essentially makes him easily replaced by a younger cheaper player we have currently in Memphis who can play better defense and hit HR"s.
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Old 05-04-2014, 07:53 PM   #1011
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Lynn is not an Ace but he is better than than an average LH just another guy and you are talking about giving up him, Craig, and another guy for just another guy.

Lynn may never be great but he will be Ok and Craig will eventually be fine. Which is a slightly above average ML hitter.
I think Craig is a little better than we're seeing, he'll hit .300+, and 15-20 HRs. But with the depth of quality OF in the system, yeah, I'd certainly consider it.

And I'd trade Lynn in a heart beat. Not sure how he's viewed around the league, so I'm not sure realistically what you could get for him.
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That wasn't the question.

And how do you overplay an above average hitter?
So is he an above average ML hitter, or slightly above average?
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Craig's hit more than 15 HR's once in his career, and he'll be 30 in a month.

I'd say he's more of a 10-15 HR guy.
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So is he an above average ML hitter, or slightly above average?

Reread your question then stop asking questions.
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Reread your question then stop asking questions.
You stated he was a slightly above average hitter.

I would easily give that up in a trade to bring back something of more worth.
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I'd think an American League team needing a DH might be interested.

I don't think they view Miller in the same way we do, hence i think Lynn is going to be the #3 starter if they make the playoffs this year.
If they don't, they're ****ing stupid.
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I think Craig is a little better than we're seeing, he'll hit .300+, and 15-20 HRs. But with the depth of quality OF in the system, yeah, I'd certainly consider it.

And I'd trade Lynn in a heart beat. Not sure how he's viewed around the league, so I'm not sure realistically what you could get for him.
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If you could package Lynn, Craig and a minor leaguer or two, for a legit LHP or even a decent inning eater, would you do it?
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If they don't, they're ****ing stupid.
Agree.
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Allen Craig has been a tremendous ML hitter since 2011. The problem is that right now he's ****ing terrible. If you take away the one Brewer game he's essentially having a Kozma-esque offensive season. Even with it, he's producing 30% fewer runs than an average ML hitter.
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