Chiefs release Fisher

[Dante84]

Chiefs released former No. 1 overall pick Eric Fisher, per source.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 11, 2021

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Giant Octopodes

Mahomes is on a contract averaging 40 million per year. He's never gotten over 5 million per year, and this year he's finally getting 25 million, his first year getting even HALF of what he's owed on average per year. He's not restructuring his contract to shove still more of it on the back half.

Chris Jones just signed his contract last year, as did Kelce. They're not restructuring either. Hitchens you might save 7 million per year on a restructure, Hill you might be able to save up to 10 at most.

45 is pure fantasy. It not just won't happen, it's not possible based on current contracts. To pretend it's "really easy to do" seems disingenuous to me, have you looked at Spotrac?

Also, why would the cap jump back up next year? Based on current plans and recommendations there's no reason to suspect there will be massive attendance at games, viewership trended way down and there's no sign of it trending back up, I'm not saying it's impossible but I see zero evidence of that happening.

Holy. ****.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Giant Octopodes

Mahomes is on a contract averaging 40 million per year. He's never gotten over 5 million per year, and this year he's finally getting 25 million, his first year getting even HALF of what he's owed on average per year. He's not restructuring his contract to shove still more of it on the back half.

Chris Jones just signed his contract last year, as did Kelce. They're not restructuring either. Hitchens you might save 7 million per year on a restructure, Hill you might be able to save up to 10 at most.

45 is pure fantasy. It not just won't happen, it's not possible based on current contracts. To pretend it's "really easy to do" seems disingenuous to me, have you looked at Spotrac?

Also, why would the cap jump back up next year? Based on current plans and recommendations there's no reason to suspect there will be massive attendance at games, viewership trended way down and there's no sign of it trending back up, I'm not saying it's impossible but I see zero evidence of that happening.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Here's a quick tutorial for anyone coming in late.

He outlines just how we can clear $45m in cap space easily and painlessly.

Screw it then grab Williams AND Golladay and lets freaking roll! Defense and interior offensive line in the draft.

[The Franchise]

Apparently someone doesn’t understand what restructuring means.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Giant Octopodes

Mahomes is on a contract averaging 40 million per year. He's never gotten over 5 million per year, and this year he's finally getting 25 million, his first year getting even HALF of what he's owed on average per year. He's not restructuring his contract to shove still more of it on the back half.

Chris Jones just signed his contract last year, as did Kelce. They're not restructuring either. Hitchens you might save 7 million per year on a restructure, Hill you might be able to save up to 10 at most.

45 is pure fantasy. It not just won't happen, it's not possible based on current contracts. To pretend it's "really easy to do" seems disingenuous to me, have you looked at Spotrac?

Also, why would the cap jump back up next year? Based on current plans and recommendations there's no reason to suspect there will be massive attendance at games, viewership trended way down and there's no sign of it trending back up, I'm not saying it's impossible but I see zero evidence of that happening.

You really need education on NFL contracts and the salary cap. I'm sure there's a thread or two around here though. Suggest you look.

[Kellerfox]

Originally Posted by Giant Octopodes

I don't see how the Chiefs could afford Williams. The Chiefs are already AT the Salary Cap currently. Trent Williams is likely to command At Least 12.5 million per year. That's as much of a cap hit as Kelce. If the choice is drop Kelce, pick up Trent Williams, is that really a deal folks want?

To be fair of course cutting Kelce wouldn't free up any cap, it'd all hit as dead cap anyway. Cutting Mathieu would do it though. That or Tyreek Hill plus someone else. Those are really your only two choices though. That or 12+ other guys.

This is just based on what I'm seeing on Spotrac, of course things can change, contracts can be restructured. But I don't see Mahomes doing it, so it'd have to be multiple of Hill, Kelce, Mathieu, Jones, and Clark to move the needle enough to free up the kind of cap we're talking about.

Maybe you're all right, there's a grand plan to make it happen and I just don't see it. But right now, I just don't see it.

Why wouldn’t Mahomes do it? Beyond the fact that he is one of the most selfless and team-oriented players in the league, there is huge financial incentive for him to do it. His contract was deliberately constructed and signed with the understanding that they would do this multiple times across the life of the contract. Looking at his contract, it is clear there is a pre-agreement to do this.

Beyond the obvious benefit to the team, by converting his roster bonus and even salary into a signing bonus, it could put more $ in his pocket today than under his current contract. Being the smart man he is, he will invest that wisely (accruing interest/gains/appreciation). A dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. The team may also be willing to increase the volume of guaranteed money over the life of the contract, further benefiting him. They were willing to give him $63 million guaranteed last year. At the start of the season, he will have been paid almost $33 million of that and effectively could be cut after the 2022 season with minimal heartache to our cap. We know that won’t happen, but tacking on another year or two of guaranteed money would be a pretty big incentive as a player.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Giant Octopodes

Mahomes is on a contract averaging 40 million per year. He's never gotten over 5 million per year, and this year he's finally getting 25 million, his first year getting even HALF of what he's owed on average per year. He's not restructuring his contract to shove still more of it on the back half.

Chris Jones just signed his contract last year, as did Kelce. They're not restructuring either. Hitchens you might save 7 million per year on a restructure, Hill you might be able to save up to 10 at most.

45 is pure fantasy. It not just won't happen, it's not possible based on current contracts. To pretend it's "really easy to do" seems disingenuous to me, have you looked at Spotrac?

Also, why would the cap jump back up next year? Based on current plans and recommendations there's no reason to suspect there will be massive attendance at games, viewership trended way down and there's no sign of it trending back up, I'm not saying it's impossible but I see zero evidence of that happening.

Dude. I don't even know where to start.

How about here-you do understand that converting signing bonuses and roster bonuses around on paper does not actually negatively affect the player's money right? Usually it means they get some of their later money NOW. Which is better than later.

They're going to extend Honey Badger. You know, because we'd like to keep him. That frees up like $17m.

also, there's a TV deal coming. Huge money.

Also, all adults will be eligible for the vaccine May 1. So you can expect a much different season this year.

Like...you're so uninformed, it's hard to even discuss this with you. I literally posted a video detailing exactly how we can afford this; and I guess it was...I don't know, too much work to watch it or something?

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Giant Octopodes

Mahomes is on a contract averaging 40 million per year. He's never gotten over 5 million per year, and this year he's finally getting 25 million, his first year getting even HALF of what he's owed on average per year. He's not restructuring his contract to shove still more of it on the back half.

Chris Jones just signed his contract last year, as did Kelce. They're not restructuring either. Hitchens you might save 7 million per year on a restructure, Hill you might be able to save up to 10 at most.

45 is pure fantasy. It not just won't happen, it's not possible based on current contracts. To pretend it's "really easy to do" seems disingenuous to me, have you looked at Spotrac?

Also, why would the cap jump back up next year? Based on current plans and recommendations there's no reason to suspect there will be massive attendance at games, viewership trended way down and there's no sign of it trending back up, I'm not saying it's impossible but I see zero evidence of that happening.

With the restructures, extensions and converting Mahomes signing bonus it comes out to about 30 million under the cap. That's not including the 18 million we saved today cutting Fisher and Schwartz.

They could probably afford another solid FA if they wanted to in addition to Williams.

Look at our cap number for 2022 and beyond. We're in good shape.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Stryker

It was inevitable to happen sooner then later. After what we all witnessed during SB LV, we needed the changing of the guard. That time is NOW!

I don't blame veach for a second for the move. It just makes me really sad for fisher.

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Apparently someone doesn’t understand what restructuring means.

Thank you!

[Giant Octopodes]

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

Why wouldn’t Mahomes do it? Beyond the fact that he is one of the most selfless and team-oriented players in the league, there is huge financial incentive for him to do it. His contract was deliberately constructed and signed with the understanding that they would do this multiple times across the life of the contract. Looking at his contract, it is clear there is a pre-agreement to do this.

Beyond the obvious benefit to the team, by converting his roster bonus and even salary into a signing bonus, it could put more $ in his pocket today than under his current contract. Being the smart man he is, he will invest that wisely (accruing interest/gains/appreciation). A dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow. The team may also be willing to increase the volume of guaranteed money over the life of the contract, further benefiting him. They were willing to give him $63 million guaranteed last year. At the start of the season, he will have been paid almost $33 million of that and effectively could be cut after the 2022 season with minimal heartache to our cap. We know that won’t happen, but tacking on another year or two of guaranteed money would be a pretty big incentive as a player.

The bolded line here is patently untrue, you know this is publicly available information right? I can't post links but Spotrac is a free site guys...

Look, I understand contracts just fine. Think about it this way: If it's incredibly easy to free up 46 million, why cut Fisher and Schwartz to free up 18? Wouldn't you rather "break open a piggy bank" and keep Fisher and Schwartz? I mean, maybe it's just me, but they seem like kinda important pieces to me, and cutting them Both only saves 18 million.

Sure, you can maybe potentially upgrade one of them, I get it. But the issue last year wasn't that Fischer and Schwartz weren't good enough. It's that there wasn't adequate skill on the depth players at those positions. So if you want Williams, and can free up 46 million just fine, you could still have Williams and Niang and have Fischer and Schwartz as backups. Talk about a position of strength. Why not do that?

The answer is, because you can't actually free up 46 million at will, it relies on the players being willing to renegotiate.

Chris Meck, like every line you posted had at least one inaccuracy in it my dude. Talk to me on May 2nd. Or the day after they extend Mathieu. Or the day after the TV deal is signed. Or the day after Williams is signed, to whatever team he's signed to. We'll see who is uninformed

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Dude. I don't even know where to start.

How about here-you do understand that converting signing bonuses and roster bonuses around on paper does not actually negatively affect the player's money right? Usually it means they get some of their later money NOW. Which is better than later.

They're going to extend Honey Badger. You know, because we'd like to keep him. That frees up like $17m.

also, there's a TV deal coming. Huge money.

Also, all adults will be eligible for the vaccine May 1. So you can expect a much different season this year.

Like...you're so uninformed, it's hard to even discuss this with you. I literally posted a video detailing exactly how we can afford this; and I guess it was...I don't know, too much work to watch it or something?

Don't talk to it, son

[Stryker]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Dude. I don't even know where to start.

How about here-you do understand that converting signing bonuses and roster bonuses around on paper does not actually negatively affect the player's money right? Usually it means they get some of their later money NOW. Which is better than later.

They're going to extend Honey Badger. You know, because we'd like to keep him. That frees up like $17m.

also, there's a TV deal coming. Huge money.

Also, all adults will be eligible for the vaccine May 1. So you can expect a much different season this year.

Like...you're so uninformed, it's hard to even discuss this with you. I literally posted a video detailing exactly how we can afford this; and I guess it was...I don't know, too much work to watch it or something?

and YOU said it better than I could have. Thank you!

[New World Order]

Originally Posted by Giant Octopodes

The bolded line here is patently untrue, you know this is publicly available information right? I can't post links but Spotrac is a free site guys...

Look, I understand contracts just fine. Think about it this way: If it's incredibly easy to free up 46 million, why cut Fisher and Schwartz to free up 18? Wouldn't you rather "break open a piggy bank" and keep Fisher and Schwartz? I mean, maybe it's just me, but they seem like kinda important pieces to me, and cutting them Both only saves 18 million.

Sure, you can maybe potentially upgrade one of them, I get it. But the issue last year wasn't that Fischer and Schwartz weren't good enough. It's that there wasn't adequate skill on the depth players at those positions. So if you want Williams, and can free up 46 million just fine, you could still have Williams and Niang and have Fischer and Schwartz as backups. Talk about a position of strength. Why not do that?

The answer is, because you can't actually free up 46 million at will, it relies on the players being willing to renegotiate.

Chris Meck, like every line you posted had at least one inaccuracy in it my dude. Talk to me on May 2nd. Or the day after they extend Mathieu. Or the day after the TV deal is signed. Or the day after Williams is signed, to whatever team he's signed to. We'll see who is uninformed

Please drink antifreeze.

Thank u!!!

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Giant Octopodes

The bolded line here is patently untrue, you know this is publicly available information right? I can't post links but Spotrac is a free site guys...

Look, I understand contracts just fine. Think about it this way: If it's incredibly easy to free up 46 million, why cut Fisher and Schwartz to free up 18? Wouldn't you rather "break open a piggy bank" and keep Fisher and Schwartz? I mean, maybe it's just me, but they seem like kinda important pieces to me, and cutting them Both only saves 18 million.

Sure, you can maybe potentially upgrade one of them, I get it. But the issue last year wasn't that Fischer and Schwartz weren't good enough. It's that there wasn't adequate skill on the depth players at those positions. So if you want Williams, and can free up 46 million just fine, you could still have Williams and Niang and have Fischer and Schwartz as backups. Talk about a position of strength. Why not do that?

The answer is, because you can't actually free up 46 million at will, it relies on the players being willing to renegotiate.

Chris Meck, like every line you posted had at least one inaccuracy in it my dude. Talk to me on May 2nd. Or the day after they extend Mathieu. Or the day after the TV deal is signed. Or the day after Williams is signed, to whatever team he's signed to. We'll see who is uninformed

Ok man, well, you've been given facts, you've had things explained to you. You're going to dig in on a bunch of bullshit, which is your prerogative. Like literally no player needs to 'renegotiate'. It's not changing the deal, it's changing how the payout is structured and how that relates to the cap number for each season. It does not adversely affect the player at all, in fact it often gives them money NOW in a bigger lump sum that is then spread out across several year's cap. You clearly do NOT understand that. Continuing to argue from a place of ignorance is dumb.

*wait-you would need to renegotiate with Mathieu, for his extension. So unless he doesn't want to be here, and thinks he's going to get more money elsewhere, it should be no problem at all to extend him, spreading out his money over a three year span or so, lessening his cap number significantly in 2021. So yeah, that's kind of how that works.