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12-09-2016, 12:05 PM | #931 |
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Of course, it all boils down to the fact STL didn't want to sell off prospects/players. Two options:
1) Fowler 5/80 2) Cain 1/10, then player X 4/50, Prospects or players worth 20 |
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If Bader had shown a little more upon his promotion to AAA last year, they might have made a different decision. But they can't count on Bader being a legit long-term option in CF yet. They needed to see more and weren't in a position to give up the prospects that would buy them that time. The gap they have in their high minors is really hurting them right now.
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12-09-2016, 01:17 PM | #933 |
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Cain will never get Fowler $ because of his injury history. He's played 2 full seasons really. His value is in CF where he once ran like a gazelle, and beating out grounders into singles + singles into doubles. When his legs atrophy (likely already occurred), he has to replace it with power and he doesn't have Fowler's power.
It'll be a brave GM who signs this cat after 2017. I'm guessing he'll get something like 3/40. |
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12-09-2016, 02:31 PM | #934 | |
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Not sure how closely you've examined Fowler's history... but career stats, you're talking about a .006 difference in slugging percentage. And Fowler, like Cain, has failed to play 130 games or more in 1/2 of his MLB seasons. And Fowler, despite playing in Coors, Houston and Wrigley, has a career high HR of 17. Re: injuries... they both are about 50/50 on playing full years. Fowler has 8 full MLB seasons vs 4 for Cain, but if you bring in Cain's health in minor league seasons, they're again similar similar. They're actually very, very similar players, right down to age. Fowler is a little better OBP guy. Cain is a better defender. If Cain plays 130 games or more and produces like he has the past three years, I think he'll do a lot better than 3/40. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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12-09-2016, 03:14 PM | #935 |
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Fowlers ISO is .153 vs Cain at .129 and his flyball distance last year was 199 ft (same as Votto) vs Cain at 182. Cain gets slug benefit by legging out extra bases which he is (was?) excellent at. I'll bet anything Fowler hits more HR this year and future years
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No it's not at all. I guess I'm just not used to seeing KC have a high payroll.
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Astros are at least sniffing around Ventura and Duffy.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/1...&post-id=80339 Moving either makes it tough to see a path to contention in 2017. Return would have to be very significant, an overpay from Houston, IMO. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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I could see Zimmer in the pen this year, but unlikely on Minor. He either will be healthy enough to be used in starter's innings, or he won't be a factor, IMO. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Is medlen out all next year or a FA?
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Some noted from Rany on 810 today:
Loves the Davis/Soler trade. If it were 2 years ago it would've been unheard of. Royals fans should not compare to Chapman trade because CHI drastically overpaid after losing out on Miller. Soler has time to figure it out in the majors and has the upside of Dye. Next move is likely to move an OF. If not for a starting pitcher then go for prospects because they aren't really missing much else. All part of balancing "go for it" vs avoiding the post-2017 cliff. "Go for it" has become more of a preference because of the White Sox going all in for prospects, Twins have talent and just hired a competent front office, and Tigers are leaning towards rebuilding (finally). Royals are trying to something incredibly difficult - make one last run while rebuilding. The team he compared it to was the 90's Pirates that let a crazy amount of talent walk and then were awful for about 20 years after that.
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12-12-2016, 02:05 PM | #945 |
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Royals fans should not compare to Chapman trade because CHI drastically overpaid after losing out on Miller.
It's Davis' injury concerns that made the difference. |
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