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How did Skyy Moore fall to us?
Largely size concerns, it seems:
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But strictly as prospects, you don't need to draft guys like that early. You simply never have. It's a market price problem. It's the kind of failure to 'game' the draft that oftentimes will put a ceiling on your return. It's taking Tyson Jackson - a damn 3-tech - in the top 3. It's taking Dexter McCluster in the 2nd round to be Darren Sproles. Meanwhile, by failing to capitalize on draft value, we lost Sam Williams who has arguably been the best rookie pass rusher to come out of the draft this year. The only way to justify taking him in the 2nd is if you believe he's a future X receiver sort who can be an every down, all fields WR. I simply don't see that kind of player here.
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Ah yes, now that Clyde has been discarded we turn to the next victim, Skyy Moore.
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I said before the draft that I thought Moore was a 'fit' in the 3rd and a 'value' in the 4th. So far nothing I have seen has disabused me of that notion. But you can keep on playing the violin for him if you'd like...
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I think it’s pretty clear that the WR position fell off after the Skyy Moore pick. The next WR was taken at 71, 17 spots later.
The Chiefs traded Tyreek, knew Mecole was most likely gone after this year and Toney was not available at the time so they tried finding a WR who fits that mold, which Pickens and Pierce clearly did not. Like him or not the kid fits the offense quite well. But expecting any player drafted outside the top 50 to be outstanding year 1 is not realistic. Let’s see what he does with Juju out. Still think he’s gonna be a nice player for us when he gets more experience.
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I don't think anyone has or had any expectations of being outstanding, but that's probably a different discussion. |
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And that was always my point.
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If you took RunKC's post and inserted Breeland Speaks and DE, would it read differently?
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The guy who showed up fat and out of shape? Really?
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Speaks just didn't give a shit. I disliked the Speaks pick FAR more than the Moore pick. On the flipside, I feel like the opportunity cost is gonna be quite a bit higher here than it was with Speaks. I didn't like Speaks, but I also didn't see any slam dunk picks on the board for us at the time. It wasn't a K-Pass of Kamara situation where a better pick just screamed out at the time it was made. Whereas here I think there were multiple guys who were simply obviously better and if Sam Williams keeps this up, that's gonna hurt more than missing on say, Kemoko Turay.... But to City's larger point - these WERE the posts people were making, damn near word for word, about Breeland Speaks in their justification of the pick.
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Not making a player comp, but situation wise it makes sense.
"There was a run on DE's and he was the last one standing so we had to take him there if we wanted one". "There wasn't a WR picked for a while after him so good thing we took him there". |
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And my position has always been that it's better to kick off a position run than it is to be at the tail end of it. Sure, you may end up reaching a little but at least you got your pick of the litter. The "well the position group was drying up" justification has always been a pretty rough one to me...
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The biggest problem with Speaks was that the scouting was all ****ed up. Dorsey's exit was late and Veach was really forced to work with guys he didn't hire to do that draft.
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Interesting that Chenal and Pacheco struggled at first but now look much better. Almost like playing time helped them develop and Moore could do the same.
What a concept!
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