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Boy...that's a really good question.
I mean, your ceiling is higher with Jackson, I think. You can win a championship in a league that doesn't have Mahomes if you have a coach like Harbaugh that seems to always get great performances from his defenses and a guy like Roman who's schemed up a damn nice system to match Jackson's talents. Whereas Dak's going to be a better fit for the vast majority of franchises. He's an easier guy to build a solid team around. I don't think there's really a right answer here - it depends ultimately on your coaching staff. If Mahomes wasn't a thing and Reid and crew were here? I think I'd go Dak and trust Reid to get him to be a little more aggressive. Reid would build an offense that works for Jackson but he'd wouldn't be able to put his exceptional ability to design route concepts to decent use then. He'd be essentially coaching with one hand behind his back. Whereas I think he'd get Dak a slightly higher level than he had Alex.
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If I was in win now mode, I would take Lamar, because he can make plays with his legs, but I would never trust his long term health with that style.
So would take Dak if I was forced to give one a long term contact.
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Agree to disagree.
I'd take Alex Smith any day of the week over Trent Green, who absolutely needed a Hall of Fame offensive line because he couldn't evade tacklers. Teams have given up the #1 overall pick, two second round picks, a 3rd rounder and a $10 million dollar per year CB/Safety for Alex Smith, so it's pretty clear that NFL teams felt Smith was a Franchise QB. 5 seasons in Kansas City: 1. 17,608 yards, 65.1% completion percentage, 102 passing TD's, 10 rushing TD's, 38 Int's. 2. 16,487 yards passing, 61.9% completion percentage, 111 passing TD's, 3 rushing TD's, 85 Int's. |
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Because I completely agree that every team in the NFL looked at Lamar's body of work and decided that he probably would have trouble digesting a true NFL type offense. And they were right. I thought they did him a disservice by starting him as early as they did. Lamar was always a project that was going to need serious seasoning before he was really ready to run a pro offense. But they opted to take a shortcut and well here we are. My only thought or doubt concerning the above is that Harbaugh is not an idiot, and he's supposedly a pretty good 'quarterback whisperer.' So if he wanted Lamar, he had to have a good reason that went beyond "the guy can run really fast." Harbaugh had to believe that he could make this kid a real NFL QB. |
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You can take a guy with mediocre accuracy/arm talent and play him up by fixing his decisionmaking and making sure he goes to the right place with the ball every time. At that point the low degree of difficulty makes him effective. Jackson has been making good decisions with the football for a long time. He's never really looked all that raw. His problem isn't how he operates an offense. And that's a REAL problem. Because it means that he's at his ceiling. He's not getting any more talented and his biomechanics just don't make him a precise thrower. He's as good as he'll ever be. The only exception could be if he does what Russ did and just trains himself constantly into developing a dynamite deep ball, but Russ was always a damn precise passer even before he became a deep ball assasssin. Jackson isn't that guy so I don't think he can have a similar trajectory. Jackson will ALWAYS be beholden to the game script. He will never be a guy who simply brings his team back. It'll happen on occasion, but he'll never be truly good at it. He's a supercharged game manager.
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Vick just threw !@#$ing missiles and if he didn't hit you in the chest with it, they were just really hard to adjust to and haul in. Whereas Jackson kinda tosses these soft little wobble-launchers that guys can chase down and/or adjust to snag. I don't think Jackson would be any better at throwing a football through a tire-swing than Vick. In fact, I think he'd be worse. But Vick's touch was just so damn bad (essentially non-existant) that he had to be razor sharp to get a catchable ball to you. I almost think Reid's ability to create separation downfield makes him BETTER suited for Vick than it does Jackson because over distance, a WR can make the adjustment on a Vick pass that he can't make at 12 yards when it's coming at 100 mph. Whereas Jackson just can't put the ass on it to take advantage of those deep shots and advance route concepts. Just a theory. Jackson just seems like a more aggressive, less adept Alex Smith purely as a thrower. At a point there's just not a good enough foundation to work with there.
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