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Old 11-19-2019, 12:12 AM  
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Official discussion thread on Andy’s late game conservative play calling
It’s a continuing thing from Philly. Why can’t he learn or change?

I and the Chief fans I was with were so pissed off at Andy being conservative again at the end of the game. 2 and 6. You get the 1st down. That’s it, game over. I would be trusting Mahomes to get 6 yards in two tries over trusting our defense.

Almost burned us again just last week. Came close to blowing a another game with conservative play calling.

Come on Andy, your a HOF coach but it’s time to rethink this late game conservative strategy. Trust in Mahomes to get it done.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:33 AM   #76
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:33 AM   #77
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I’d like to know what percentage of our run plays went between the tackles. It had to be about 90% and I don’t think a single one was effective.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:34 AM   #78
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And that is a trend that continued from last year when we were destroying teams in the first half and consistently let teams back into the game, then magically turned the offense on again when the game got close. It is a game management thing. We can make all the excuses in the world. Hell, Marty stopped playing Marty ball when he was in San Diego and still found ways to lose. I am a sucker but I still think Andy Reid can overcome that and it starts with putting games away with our qb. I get that our qb wasn't at his best yesterday and our OL was a dumpster fire. But id still prefer that our battered offense win games for us instead of our defense. Rivers bailed us out yesterday.

Perhaps Reid had good reasons and yesterday was purely an execution thing. I just find it hard to believe an offense this dominant can be this bad protecting the lead unless it was an issue with mentality and approach. It's always something... It's injuries, or the defense figured us out, or it's special teams mistakes, or it's all on Sutton or spags, or it's execution, or it's right playcalling that didn't work out. We have consistently sucked at protecting leads under Reid and I don't think it's because we get unlucky over and over and over again.

Totally agree with everything here except your belief\optimism that Reid will change because I have zero faith he will. He hasn't shown it yet anyway.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:36 AM   #79
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Kareem Hunt would solve this. Basically he doesn't have a RB that can get 2 yards when absolutely needed.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:41 AM   #80
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I’d like to know what percentage of our run plays went between the tackles. It had to be about 90% and I don’t think a single one was effective.
Williams scored from the 8 right up the gut.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:43 AM   #81
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He would rather lose conservatively than possibly lose guns blazing. I'd like a coach that would be the opposite. Sam Mellinger said that Reid would "leave money on the table" which is a good analogy for his play not to lose mentality instead of playing to win.
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Totally agree with everything here except your belief\optimism that Reid will change because I have zero faith he will. He hasn't shown it yet anyway.
LOL

HE LITERALLY TOOK A GAMEPLAN AND THREW IT OUT WHEN THE FIELD STARTED SHITTING AND TYREEK BROKE

HE STARTED CALLING MARTYBALL PLAYS TO ADAPT AND ROLLED UP TWO HUNDREDS YARDS IN ONE HALF

GET. A. ****ING. CLUE.
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:45 AM   #83
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What I don’t understand, if he’s so hell bent on running these awful one read screens/rollouts on critical downs, then why doesn’t he try to get the ball to our best players?

Kelce was abusing the zone all night long and didn’t even get a look in the fourth quarter. Sammy Watkins was invisible all night. Just let these guys run routes and find soft spots in the zone and let’s move the chains.

When you give Pat one read, then you’re taking away everything that makes him great. I just don’t understand essentially taking the ball out of our best players’ hands with the game on the line.
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What I don’t understand, if he’s so hell bent on running these awful one read screens/rollouts on critical downs, then why doesn’t he try to get the ball to our best players?
can't think of a single rollout the chiefs ran on the last three drives - name it - go in the box and find it, genious

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Kelce was abusing the zone all night long and didn’t even get a look in the fourth quarter.
this is 100% false - the last third down he was the first read - covered, OL shit itself

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When you give Pat one read, then you’re taking away everything that makes him great.
this didn't happen, except on a single screen pass

it's OK for Andy to call one screen in a quarter, really, it is

anyway, ball was in mahomes hands, he made some plays, screwed up others, move on, we won
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Old 11-19-2019, 11:51 AM   #85
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I’d like to know what percentage of our run plays went between the tackles. It had to be about 90% and I don’t think a single one was effective.
This has been one of my biggest criticisms of Reid since he came to KC. The running game is almost exclusively up the butt of the center or right/left guard. We don't ever really do any pulls or sweeps or off tackle stuff. It would seem that with a "finesse" line those would be far more effective.
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LOL

HE LITERALLY TOOK A GAMEPLAN AND THREW IT OUT WHEN THE FIELD STARTED SHITTING AND TYREEK BROKE

HE STARTED CALLING MARTYBALL PLAYS TO ADAPT AND ROLLED UP TWO HUNDREDS YARDS IN ONE HALF

GET. A. ****ING. CLUE.

Maybe go back and read what zilla posted that I was agreeing with. He goes conservative with a lead and this has been a problem for a long while.
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The last 3rd down was a rollout, no?
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What I don’t understand, if he’s so hell bent on running these awful one read screens/rollouts on critical downs, then why doesn’t he try to get the ball to our best players?
Agreed, it is hard to understand Andy's logic on those critical plays at the end of games.

Last week on 3rd and 2 before the botched FG snap, the Chiefs call a pass play to seldom used/back-up TE Blake Bell.

Last night 6 of the 9 plays on the final two offensive drives (before the kneel down), involved run or screen pass attempts to third string RB Darrel Williams.
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What I don’t understand, if he’s so hell bent on running these awful one read screens/rollouts on critical downs, then why doesn’t he try to get the ball to our best players?

Kelce was abusing the zone all night long and didn’t even get a look in the fourth quarter. Sammy Watkins was invisible all night. Just let these guys run routes and find soft spots in the zone and let’s move the chains.

When you give Pat one read, then you’re taking away everything that makes him great. I just don’t understand essentially taking the ball out of our best players’ hands with the game on the line.
Kelce was the first read on the play, Mecole the second, they were covered and the run option wasn't there because we couldn't block shit at the time.
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Evidently the fields have been shitty every time Reid has a lead.
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