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Old 06-26-2019, 07:48 AM  
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Chris Jones clearly has eyes on the future
Following latest comments, this could get a bit messier than I had previously thought.

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Old 06-26-2019, 12:22 PM   #76
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You guys are so concerned about Jones leaving gaps for running lanes while chasing sacks but without Dee Ford running wide around the tackle every play the gaps will already be smaller.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:30 PM   #77
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Tyreek doesn't run full speed that often. There was a game Smith over shot Hill a hair. But at the last minute Hill kicked it into warp speed for just a couple steps. So even when Hill loses a step, he'll still be roasting everyone because he is that fast.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:31 PM   #78
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You guys are so concerned about Jones leaving gaps for running lanes while chasing sacks but without Dee Ford running wide around the tackle every play the gaps will already be smaller.
This is a very interesting point. Chiefs have basically all bull rushers now. Clark has a nice blend of speed and power, though.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:35 PM   #79
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Steve Smith lost a lot of steps and never stopped being awesome. You're just rationalizing your own dislike for the guy. He's actually really good at the position. I'm sure you're aware of this, but there are a lot of fast guys in the NFL who suck at playing WR.

Hill will be one of the fastest guys in the league when he retires. Just like Deion Sanders, Bullet Bob, and Darrel Green. He's THAT kind of fast.
If KC had a Matt Ryan type QB I would pay Hill. With PM I wouldn’t break the bank for Hill. If he wants a full market deal I would let him walk.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:40 PM   #80
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Do you have an actual example of this? Because this just sounds like you making shit up to support a narrative.
How about Paylor flat out saying the Chiefs want him to stop freelancing.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:54 PM   #81
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How about Paylor flat out saying the Chiefs want him to stop freelancing.
I didn’t say he doesn’t freelance. I said it’s overblown. If the Chiefs felt that strongly about it, they wouldn’t want to sign him long term, which clearly isn’t the case. That’s mostly posturing.
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:11 PM   #82
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I didn’t say he doesn’t freelance. I said it’s overblown. If the Chiefs felt that strongly about it, they wouldn’t want to sign him long term, which clearly isn’t the case. That’s mostly posturing.
Seems to me Daly (DL coach and run defense coordinator) wants his hands on Jones before he provides his input to Spags, Reid and Veach.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m on record saying they should pay Jones before the price goes even higher...but I definitely see that the team wants to see him become a well rounded player if he wants elite type money that goes to well rounded players.
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:26 PM   #83
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I believe Jones price is already way high in his mind. Let him have a 2nd top year before paying him as a top defensive player. We have way more line depth than last year and I expect Jones to be on the field less. If he is up for a team friendly deal now fine. Otherwise nope.
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:37 PM   #84
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I'd let him play out the year. If the rookies/2nd year guys don't come on strong and or Jones just keeps on the same pace as last year, pay him.

If you don't feel comfortable there's always the tag or tag and trade.

If a situation arose like Frank Clark last year where a team offered a first rounder for Jones next year after the Chiefs tagged him that wouldn't be the worst situation to be in.

Say the Giants with 4 or 5 games and are picking 10ish and would entertain it, I'd think that could work well.
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So they will cave
Because chiefs.

I still remember trading for Cassel, I was pissed. But at the end I was like well we will see how he plays on the contract he had. Then we went and extended him.
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If KC had a Matt Ryan type QB I would pay Hill. With PM I wouldn’t break the bank for Hill. If he wants a full market deal I would let him walk.
So if you had a QB who couldn't take advantage of Hill, you'd sign him to mega bucks.

But when you have an accurate generational arm at QB, you would not.

I do not agree. That's just backwards AF.
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Yeah I thought the same thing

When you’ve got the legit qb don’t try and make him work harder or have to be at his best to survive

Load up the offense and let him feast
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So if you had a QB who couldn't take advantage of Hill, you'd sign him to mega bucks.

But when you have an accurate generational arm at QB, you would not.

I do not agree. That's just backwards AF.
This.

In fact...Hill is the REASON we traded up to get Mahomes. When Hill was streaking downfield in that playoff game against Pittsburgh and Alex Smith didn't even attempt to get him the ball, because he physically COULDN'T...that was the moment...
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So um are Jones and Tyreek raining together? Jones is jacked
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