To the Herm haters.

[Bwana]

Oh boy..........

[wild1]

this has to be a joke. no one is dumb enough to both love Herm and want Vick over Cassel

[Micjones]

You're really defending an NFL Head Coach who managed exactly 6 wins in two seasons?

Wow...

He's done exactly nothing noteworthy in his career.
I'll never get why people stick up for him.
He's lost 20 more games than he's won as an HC in this league.
Seriously...

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Those were all close games that could have gone either way. Herm was only a play or two away in each of the games that we could have won the playoffs.

Surely you jest. You just don't give a dunce like Herm more and more time. He isn't even smart enough to use the internet.

[chiefs1111]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Surely you jest. You just don't give a dunce like Herm more and more time. He isn't even smart enough to use the internet.

I think calling Herm a dunce is going to easy on him

[LaChapelle]

They had to gut the stadium after Herm left. They still aren't sure they got the stench out.

[Hammock Parties]

I made that in like...October? It was in the germ warfare thread.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I made that in like...October? It was in the germ warfare thread.

well kudos, i hadn't seen it...

[chiefzilla1501]

Given a competent front office, Herm would have been a 9-10 win coach. Which is good but not great. People who say he was worthless and incompetent are ridiculous. Nobody denies that Peterson ****ed this team up. Nobody denies that Vermeil let this team get ridiculously old. Nobody denies that this team whiffed on 10 straight drafts before Herm came into KC. And yet nobody wants to suggest that maybe Herm inherited a pretty poor situation that made it really difficult to win games.

I'm pretty excited about the Haley regime. I just feel bad it had to go down this way for Herm. He inherited a shitty team and despite Herm's constant insistence that the team needed to rebuild, our stubborn shithead of a GM resisted at every turn. We are mostly in the situation we are in now because of Peterson's mismanagement.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Given a competent front office, Herm would have been a 9-10 win coach. Which is good but not great. People who say he was worthless and incompetent are ridiculous. Nobody denies that Peterson ****ed this team up. Nobody denies that Vermeil let this team get ridiculously old. Nobody denies that this team whiffed on 10 straight drafts before Herm came into KC. And yet nobody wants to suggest that maybe Herm inherited a pretty poor situation that made it really difficult to win games.

I'm pretty excited about the Haley regime. I just feel bad it had to go down this way for Herm. He inherited a shitty team and despite Herm's constant insistence that the team needed to rebuild, our stubborn shithead of a GM resisted at every turn. We are mostly in the situation we are in now because of Peterson's mismanagement.

Did you watch the games? Herm gave games away. Who the **** plays a close style game while ignoring the QB position, Special teams, and Field Goal kicker. That was Herms doing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by billay

Did you watch the games? Herm gave games away. Who the **** plays a close style game while ignoring the QB position, Special teams, and Field Goal kicker. That was Herms doing.

I never said he was a great gameday coach. In fact, I've said many times that it would probably be the thing that always kept him from being anything more than a 1-and-done playoff coach.

But it says a lot that he was able to keep the game close with a pretty shitty talented team that had shitty talent mostly through no fault of his own.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But it says a lot that he was able to keep the game close with a pretty shitty talented team that had shitty talent mostly through no fault of his own.

OMG!

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Bwana

OMG!

The Chiefs ****ed up 10 years of drafts before Herm Edwards came in, leaving Herm Edwards no homegrown talent under the age of 30

The Chiefs ****ed up 5 years of free agency under Vermeil, leaving Herm with a bunch of expensive players who played like shit

Herm Edwards told his GM that the team needed to be hit with a wrecking ball and rebuilt from the ground up. The GM refused and instead kept a bunch of shitty, old veterans on the roster and even signed crappy stopgaps like Damion McIntosh and Napoleon Harris in an effort to "win now."

While this is debatable, I would still argue that Herm Edwards was forced to keep Solari and Gun on board because the GM had a loyalty issue


So you tell me how any coach given a team with primarily 30+ year old players, no young players in the program, and a GM who refused to admit that the team needed to be rebuilt has any chance at winning. Herm should have been allowed to rebuild immediately. He should have been given more power to choose his own coordinators. He shouldn't have been forced to start an old stopgap veteran QB who was there to milk a few wins right away at the expense of developing a young QB. And frankly, while we're being honest, the fact that Carl Peterson hired his friend (Herm Edwards) as a head coach without interviewing anybody else is just another point of proof about how horrible of a GM he was.