Revisit: Trade Tyreek

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Not to beat the drum any harder than I already am for J Williams, but tell me that he isn't the only WR that pops out at you that could fit this scenario with Tyreek?

You know what pops to me?

How fascinated everyone was with fast Alabama WRs (Ruggs and Jeudy) and didn't want to consider how really good some other WRs were.

How good that class was overall and that two guys went at the top of the 2nd that are 1k receivers, one of them as a #2.

And let's look at that guy, Tee Higgins. Was supposed to be a mid-to-late 1st round guy, fell just out of the 1st to 33. Bigger receiver at 6'3" 216 and ran a 4.59. Sound like a guy we are seeing in this draft? Compare statistics and measurables between Treylon Burks and Tee Higgins.

If Burks is there, I'm jumping all over that.

Talk more on this later too, gotta run for now

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by kccrow

You know what pops to me?

How fascinated everyone was with fast Alabama WRs (Ruggs and Jeudy) and didn't want to consider how really good some other WRs were.

How good that class was overall and that two guys went at the top of the 2nd that are 1k receivers, one of them as a #2.

And let's look at that guy, Tee Higgins. Was supposed to be a mid-to-late 1st round guy, fell just out of the 1st to 33. Bigger receiver at 6'3" 216 and ran a 4.59. Sound like a guy we are seeing in this draft? Compare statistics and measurables between Treylon Burks and Tee Higgins.

If Burks is there, I'm jumping all over that.

Talk more on this later too, gotta run for now

I like Burks but still don't like Tee Higgins. Yes, he's productive but it's a perfect match with Burrow's ball placement and his skill set.

[kcbubb]

I like burks a lot. I’m just not sure he’s there. He’s likely gone by the time we pick. And some of y’all don’t want to trade up for legit #1 wr that has produced in the sec but want jalen Tolbert in the 2nd, who gets blanketed by Georgia southern.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I like burks a lot. I’m just not sure he’s there. He’s likely gone by the time we pick. And some of y’all don’t want to trade up for legit #1 wr that has produced in the sec but want jalen Tolbert in the 2nd, who gets blanketed by Georgia southern.

Blanketed by Georgia Southern? The same Georgia Southern he roasted for 11 receptions, 174 yards, and a TD? That Georgia Southern?

How about when he obliterated your beloved SEC, when he visited Tennessee, to the tune of 7 receptions, 143 yards, and a TD?

Or do you have to dig back an extra year to get that dirt on him? Should we gather dirt on how productive Williams was in 2020?

Should we talk about how piss poor of a route runner Williams was at OSU and that's the reason he couldn't get time on the field? He's still not that good of a route runner, but he has speed and speed wins in college. Chris Olave would break Williams' if he tried to keep up with lateral cuts and route sophistication. It's not even in the same stratosphere.

I like Williams, don't get me wrong, but I'm not about to concede that he's anywhere near the type of finished product you go balls deep to get in a draft loaded with as talented WRs while also having a torn ACL.

Could he end up being productive right away like Jaylen Waddle? Sure he could. He could also end up being Henry Ruggs... before Ruggs was an idiot. With his lack of route running, I'd err closer to Ruggs than Waddle.

I'd take a shot on him at 29, sure. Move up for him? No. If I'm moving up for a WR it's Olave if he makes it past Philly and it's not even close. That said, I'm not championing that move either. I'd take my chances on what might fall to 29 and if one doesn't I'm looking at what's there at 50 and possibly 62. I wouldn't mind Tolbert and Pierce both in 2 if you get DL in 1.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Blanketed by Georgia Southern? The same Georgia Southern he roasted for 11 receptions, 174 yards, and a TD? That Georgia Southern?

How about when he obliterated your beloved SEC, when he visited Tennessee, to the tune of 7 receptions, 143 yards, and a TD?

Or do you have to dig back an extra year to get that dirt on him? Should we gather dirt on how productive Williams was in 2020?

Should we talk about how piss poor of a route runner Williams was at OSU and that's the reason he couldn't get time on the field? He's still not that good of a route runner, but he has speed and speed wins in college. Chris Olave would break Williams' if he tried to keep up with lateral cuts and route sophistication. It's not even in the same stratosphere.

I like Williams, don't get me wrong, but I'm not about to concede that he's anywhere near the type of finished product you go balls deep to get in a draft loaded with as talented WRs while also having a torn ACL.

Could he end up being productive right away like Jaylen Waddle? Sure he could. He could also end up being Henry Ruggs... before Ruggs was an idiot. With his lack of route running, I'd err closer to Ruggs than Waddle.

I'd take a shot on him at 29, sure. Move up for him? No. If I'm moving up for a WR it's Olave if he makes it past Philly and it's not even close. That said, I'm not championing that move either. I'd take my chances on what might fall to 29 and if one doesn't I'm looking at what's there at 50 and possibly 62. I wouldn't mind Tolbert and Pierce both in 2 if you get DL in 1.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You go back and look at Tolbert’s separation. Crow is right. He put up big numbers and he might be successful but watch the highlights on Tolbert and look for separation and burst coming out of breaks. Those ga southern cbs we’re pretty close to him. Then compare that with jameson against Georgia’s corners & safety. Jameson blows the whole secondary up occasionally. Not close.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

You go back and look at Tolbert’s separation. Crow is right. He put up big numbers and he might be successful but watch the highlights on Tolbert and look for separation and burst coming out of breaks. Those ga southern cbs we’re pretty close to him. Then compare that with jameson against Georgia’s corners & safety. Jameson blows the whole secondary up occasionally. Not close.

He blew up his knee too.

[kcbubb]

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

lol. I get your side too and I get why. I just think it's foolish to go all in on the guy and move up to, what was it? 15? That's ridiculous.

If we're going to go full shaft, I'm going to slap my balls against her ass too and trade into the top 10 and grab Thibodeaux if he gets to #9.

29, 30, 62, and 135 to SEA for 9 and 72?

I wouldn't put it past Veach to be that aggressive.

[kcbubb]

I was thinking more like 29, early third & 4th and 4th next year to move up around 20. We need to keep the 2nd rounders. I see the 2nd rounders as the real value in the draft, especially on defense. Steelers could still get a qb at 29.

[kcbubb]

I don’t think I could give up the 2nd rounders to move up for jameson after seeing what Watson did at the senior bowl.