Kaepernick and Reid settle with nfl

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Confidential settlement.

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Nothing personal here but this is where you are mistaken. The NFL is one big corporation with franchise owners. You know like McD's, Wendy's etc...... and they call the shots on wages as well.

That's not actually true and you have unknowingly picked a perfect example of why it isn't. Your Wendy's and McD's are locally owned franchises. Each one is a business with an owner that makes their own decisions while agreeing to abide by a few rules to use the name that they paid for. The NFL isn't like that at all. The NFL is a cartel. Their structure isn't actually purely legal in this country so they had to get special permission just to exist. Part of getting that permission was agreeing to abide by certain special rules. I think it's most likely that the NFL was afraid that an open, dragged out lawsuit would expose the structure of their special situation and leave them as targets for SJW lawmakers.

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To be clear, the Patriots don't really compete with, for example, the Chiefs. Not in a business sense. They are the same company.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Capitalism? No it isn't. The NFL is an oligopoly. You know why the owners continue to cave on these things? Because every single time somebody says "open your books" and they won't. This isn't an open market where players can go wherever they want. The owners have unusual control over it and that includes the ability to underpay their workers (whether we like it or not... Players are absolutely underpaid). So when nfl owners choose to blackball a player, there's a reason the players union takes a very keen interest to it. We have to stop comparing the NFL to ordinary businesses. Players have a ton more leverage in the NFL than most professions.

And by the way... I don't think Kaepernick is a good poster child. But I belheve Eric Reid is a blatant case of blackballing.

Hahaha. NFL players are hardly underpaid. How can you type that with a straight face. The salary cap for 2019 is estimated at $191 million. Split 53 ways, that's over $3.5 million per player. Yes, many make less than that. But that's more because of the Rodgers and the Cousins and unfortunately soon to be Leveon Bell who are grossly OVERPAID. Anyone who sees the NFL teams paying out $191 million to 53 guys and calls them greedy is nuts. I don't care what business it is, the owners always get the Lions share of the profits. It's their business. The owner of the Panthers just paid $2 bullion for the team. For that kind of investment, he should get to keep a ton of money. It's going to take him years to recover what he's invested. The only ones who are responsible for players getting less than you think that they should are the guys demanding more money than they, their kids, and their grandkids could ever spend. Aaron Rodgers is getting $33 million per year. Why?? I bet that he never touches the money from his latest contract because he's already made more money than he'll ever spend. He didn't help himself out really. All he did was hurt his team's ability to pay those lesser players on his team. The players demanding stupid money (and their agents) are the bad guys. But, I don't know why I waste my time. You see the NFL as some evil entity and I'm not going to change your mind any more than you're going to change mine.

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Hahaha. NFL players are hardly underpaid. How can you type that with a straight face. The salary cap for 2019 is estimated at $191 million. Split 53 ways, that's over $3.5 million per player. Yes, many make less than that. But that's more because of the Rodgers and the Cousins and unfortunately soon to be Leveon Bell who are grossly OVERPAID. Anyone who sees the NFL teams paying out $191 million to 53 guys and calls them greedy is nuts. I don't care what business it is, the owners always get the Lions share of the profits. It's their business. The owner of the Panthers just paid $2 bullion for the team. For that kind of investment, he should get to keep a ton of money. It's going to take him years to recover what he's invested. The only ones who are responsible for players getting less than you think that they should are the guys demanding more money than they, their kids, and their grandkids could ever spend. Aaron Rodgers is getting $33 million per year. Why?? I bet that he never touches the money from his latest contract because he's already made more money than he'll ever spend. He didn't help himself out really. All he did was hurt his team's ability to pay those lesser players on his team. The players demanding stupid money (and their agents) are the bad guys. But, I don't know why I waste my time. You see the NFL as some evil entity and I'm not going to change your mind any more than you're going to change mine.

LOL. I see the NFL as some evil entity? Where did that shit come from?

Aaron Rodgers is not overpaid in Green Bay. He is only "overpaid" (debatably) because there is a salary cap. Without a salary cap, Jerry Jones could and would pay a QB like that a hell of a lot more. European soccer, on the other hand, is a market where players are actually paid what an owner thinks they're worth.

The point wasn't to argue about what players are worth their contracts. Someone made a point that players are free to play somewhere else and that this was a free market. It isn't. The NFL is a rare industry that allows its owners to collude with each other to cap wages. Players are underpaid because the NFL is trying to create competitive balance. No, I do not believe that is evil because it makes football more entertaining (especially for a small market team like KC).

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Originally Posted by JakeF

The reasons why the NFL settled; relatively cheap, the NFL wouldn't face the discovery process, Executives and Owners wouldn't need to testify.

I figure this is the big part, they don't want to have anything come out about their regular business conversations.

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Originally Posted by morphius

I figure this is the big part, they don't want to have anything come out about their regular business conversations.

How their business operates (as I understand it) is as an entertainment entity. Different than almost all other sports leagues and gives them specific benefits.

As I understand it they file the way the WWE does.

There's a lot about the way the NFL operates that while is known they want run through mainstream media.

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Dan Patrick said that he's heard different. He knows some scouts and other guys in the league. They said that Kaepernick settled without notifying the Player's Union and that it was cheap. It was an est 10 million to Kaepernick and a donation to the charity of Kaepernick's choice of some unknown amount. Kaepernick didn't have any concrete evidence. No tape, no email proof. He was going to lose and his lawyers knew it so they took whatever deal they could get.

The reasons why the NFL settled; relatively cheap, the NFL wouldn't face the discovery process, Executives and Owners wouldn't need to testify.

FWIW

Proof of collusion was always going to be very difficult to prove. I'm sure the main reason the owners didn't want their phones and emails searched is because they don't want people sniffing around their business dealings. That doesn't mean there wasn't a good chance those emails had damaging info. Need to just use the common sense test. There were reasons not to sign Kaepernick on ability alone. Eric Reid, on the other hand... Is there any doubt what was going on there?

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

LOL. I see the NFL as some evil entity? Where did that shit come from?

Aaron Rodgers is not overpaid in Green Bay. He is only "overpaid" (debatably) because there is a salary cap. Without a salary cap, Jerry Jones could and would pay a QB like that a hell of a lot more. European soccer, on the other hand, is a market where players are actually paid what an owner thinks they're worth.

The point wasn't to argue about what players are worth their contracts. Someone made a point that players are free to play somewhere else and that this was a free market. It isn't. The NFL is a rare industry that allows its owners to collude with each other to cap wages. Players are underpaid because the NFL is trying to create competitive balance. No, I do not believe that is evil because it makes football more entertaining (especially for a small market team like KC).

Your idea of underpaid and overpaid are way different I see. I don't see anyone being paid millions as possibly being underpaid. I don't care if they are rare talents or not. Being paid millions of dollars to play a sport is a dream come true. When football began, nobody got in it to get rich. Now, they have that luxury. Why does Aaron Rodgers NEED #33 million per year? Why does Kirk Cousins NEED $28 million per year? They don't. They just WANT it. If they never earned another dime they would still be set for life and so would their children. you want to see lower tier players paid better? Quit giving it to greedy assholes who have no chance of ever spending a fraction of it. Just because someone can get $30+ million per year doesn't mean that they should. Look at Trump. He doesn't want or need his salary for being President, so he donates it. That's refreshing. I get so sick of personal greed. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Aaron Rodgers should get paid $33 million per year. And don't tell me because he's worth it. That's a cop out answer. He makes more money per game than many players make all season. It's ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Proof of collusion was always going to be very difficult to prove. I'm sure the main reason the owners didn't want their phones and emails searched is because they don't want people sniffing around their business dealings. That doesn't mean there wasn't a good chance those emails had damaging info. Need to just use the common sense test. There were reasons not to sign Kaepernick on ability alone. Eric Reid, on the other hand... Is there any doubt what was going on there?

Reid did sign and he just signed an extension as well. Just because teams waited until the PR situation was better doesn't mean collusion. The Chiefs should have signed him, they needed him in the worst way. Clark is a Republican though, he wasn't going against Trump.

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Reid did sign and he just signed an extension as well. Just because teams waited until the PR situation was better doesn't mean collusion. The Chiefs should have signed him, they needed him in the worst way. Clark is a Republican though, he wasn't going against Trump.

Reid signed very very late in the process. And I agree, he would have helped a team like the Chiefs immensely. Unlike Kaep who many teams had good reason to avoid outside of politics.

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Reid signed very very late in the process. And I agree, he would have helped a team like the Chiefs immensely. Unlike Kaep who many teams had good reason to avoid outside of politics.

Reid played and started in 13 games. He didn't get signed that late, more or less after the season started so his contract wouldn't be guaranteed.

Kaep wanted to be handed a starting job. He would have been signed too if he would have agreed to come in as a backup to begin the season. I think Baltimore and Carolina were both interested in Kaep until they talked to him.