Let's Talk About Baltimore (AFC Championship)

[SHOWTIME]

Headed back to the AFC Championship Game!!!! Discuss.

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by CupidStunt

The Lamar hate has gone too far, said as someone who was as big a doubter as any when he was coming out.

But this MVP is completely whack and it's a damn shame it just goes to the "most deserving QB". His season is a joke compared to other MVPs, including his first.

This!

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DRM08

I think Andy & Spags will do everything possible to get a stronger performance in run defense. I think it’s important to get a lead on Baltimore instead of trying to chase them for a huge chunk of the game. Force some punts early and get a lead.

I'm sure they let the flow of the game dictate it to a large extent... defenses WANT you to spend 8 minutes driving down the field, converting 3rd downs, because not many offenses can do it.

The defense last weekend really only got into trouble on the 2nd and 3rd drives of the game, when every first down play was resulting in 2nd and 2 or another first down.

It's tough to execute a one dimensional offense (at least when you don't have Patrick Mahomes), and I think Spags is fine if the one dimension is on the ground and not giving up huge chunks and 3rd downs.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Can someone dispute this for me? Yards per play and PFF grade of our ball catchers vs zone and man.



Baltimore plays alot of man and they are good at it.

Patrick might need to use his legs more often. That has been a very effective way to beat teams who lock down the receivers in man coverage.

[ROYC75]

Originally Posted by Otter

I'm going into this game with no expectations but hoping for the best. A little Mahomes Magic never hurts.

Same here, we have our work cut out for us. But Oh What a Win Would Do To The Flying Rat fans!

[Whogotitbetter]

Originally Posted by CupidStunt

The Lamar hate has gone too far, said as someone who was as big a doubter as any when he was coming out.

But this MVP is completely whack and it's a damn shame it just goes to the "most deserving QB". His season is a joke compared to other MVPs, including his first.

His First was unanimous so it can't be compared, His stats are better then 08 manning where he won the mvp, also who else were they going to give it to? it's not just based off stats, but no mvp had 20+ turnovers like allen, nor had a below .500 record against winning teams like dak.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Not really accurate. No team was willing to part with 2 first round picks AND give him a fully guaranteed contract. It’s not so easy as saying it was a free market and no one had any interest in him.

Lamar is super dynamic and a better pocket passer than the majority here give him credit for. He can get or be gotten though, and we just need Spags to gum up the gears.

He drops his passer icons a little quicker than most.

That's the biggest problem with Jackson. And he doesn't have a hose to fit the ball into tight windows but their offense isn't really designed around that (it's designed to avoid tight windows by virtue of teams having to respect his legs).

But if you can get that pocket collapsing, he'll bring his eyes down a little sooner and start looking for an escape plan sooner than a lot of QBs. And because he's so dynamic, it can even get him in a little trouble as a runner when he's not decisive. He'll look to break into the open field as opposed to Allen who will just plow ahead and take what's there.

Gonna need a couple 'sacks' where he gets himself going sideways as he's looking to find a running lane. Probably not going to get an int since he tends to tuck when the play's getting ugly but if we could force a ball out that would be nice as well.

Defense may have to rely on bend but don't break, offense will have to get into the end zone 3 times. Gonna take 27+ to win this one, IMO.

But ultimately if Patrick plays like he's played the last couple weeks, I think they'll manage that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter

His First was unanimous so it can't be compared, His stats are better then 08 manning where he won the mvp, also who else were they going to give it to? it's not just based off stats, but no mvp had 20+ turnovers like allen, nor had a below .500 record against winning teams like dak.

That's his point - you're talking about QBs only.

I'd argue CMC and even Tyreek were better candidates than any QB this year.

And to be completely honest, my MVP would probably be Myles Garrett. For the Browns go to 11-6 with the issues they had at QB while ALSO losing their star RB is remarkable. They beat Baltimore at Baltimore with Deshaun Watson doing everything in his power to lose it for them.

You have a RB that went for 2,000 all purpose yards, a WR that very easily could've and a DE that dragged his team to relevance. Any of those three are worthy candidates and in a year where there's no clear standout season at the QB position, it's a very good time to have thrown the REST of the league a bone...

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by CupidStunt

The Lamar hate has gone too far, said as someone who was as big a doubter as any when he was coming out.

But this MVP is completely whack and it's a damn shame it just goes to the "most deserving QB". His season is a joke compared to other MVPs, including his first.

It’s true. ESPN QBR accounts for rushing ability. Lamar was 83/100 for his 2019 MVP. He’s around 65/100 QBR in 2023 season. The lowest QBR for a MVP recently was Cam Newton at 61/100 QBR in 2015, so I guess that’s similar to Lamar this season. Usually the MVP is above 75/100 QBR. Maybe they should have given the MVP to Tyreek Hill or TJ Watt. The Steelers lose 90% of their games when Watt is out with injury. That’s absurd.

MVP QBR grades the last 10 years:

2014 Aaron Rodgers 78/100 QBR
2015 Cam Newton 61/100 QBR
2016 Matt Ryan 80/100 QBR
2017 Tom Brady 71/100 QBR
2018 Patrick Mahomes 80/100 QBR
2019 Lamar Jackson 83/100 QBR
2020 Aaron Rodgers 80/100 QBR
2021 Aaron Rodgers 74/100 QBR
2022 Patrick Mahomes 79/100 QBR
2023 Lamar Jackson 65/100 QBR

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The NFL pushed the panic button ��

They have a ref in their rotation who is a MASSIVE edge to road teams

Road teams win at the #1 highest rate with him...

He penalizes home teams in ways no other ref does... and...

He's calling the Chiefs road gamehttps://t.co/Eljx8ryirX

— Warren Sharp (@SharpFootball) January 23, 2024

Was Warren Sharp always this unhinged?

Sharp is also getting dragged on the internet by just about every national pundit for his take that Allen should have thrown it underneath to Diggs on the play where Jones pushed the tackle back into him.

So I came across this..

Reminder that Warren Sharp is a fake alias that he chose to create a gambling persona with a catchy name. To grow this business, he has built a platform on twitter that is solely focused on maximizing engagement no matter how substantial his findings actually are. Anything that generates clicks, is getting posted.

He also manipulates his gambling winning-% by adjusting his picks within minutes of key deadlines so his paying subscribers rarely have the opportunity to actually take advantage of these bets.

His real name is Tyler Brickner.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's his point - you're talking about QBs only.

I'd argue CMC and even Tyreek were better candidates than any QB this year.

And to be completely honest, my MVP would probably be Myles Garrett. For the Browns go to 11-6 with the issues they had at QB while ALSO losing their star RB is remarkable. They beat Baltimore at Baltimore with Deshaun Watson doing everything in his power to lose it for them.

You have a RB that went for 2,000 all purpose yards, a WR that very easily could've and a DE that dragged his team to relevance. Any of those three are worthy candidates and in a year where there's no clear standout season at the QB position, it's a very good time to have thrown the REST of the league a bone...

On one of their podcasts I remember Jason and Travis calling the MVP award "Most Valuable Passer" and they are pretty accurate on it. It would take a skill position breaking an all time record to garner any serious consideration at this point, and even then it would not be a guarantee.

Since 2000, there have been 4 league MVPs that were not QBs. 2012 was the last year a non QB won it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tredadda

On one of their podcasts I remember Jason and Travis calling the MVP award "Most Valuable Passer" and they are pretty accurate on it. It would take a skill position breaking an all time record to garner any serious consideration at this point, and even then it would not be a guarantee.

Since 2000, there have been 4 league MVPs that were not QBs. 2012 was the last year a non QB won it.

I think the biggest issue with a CMC vote is that yes, an injury to CMC would cripple them - so does an injury to ANYONE on that team it seems.

The whole damn offense appears to be a house of cards. When it's working, they all eat. But it seems to take all hands on deck for any of them to excel.

[Gary Cooper]

McCafrey should have won MVP. It's hard to imagine a RB having a better season in today's NFL. Tyreek was tracking the same for WR until his injury. It shouldn't necessarily be a QB every season. This season is a good example of that.

Also, I don't think Lamar was even the best QB in the league. Prescott had 12 more TD passes and threw only 2 more INTs than Lamar on 133 more attempts. Lamar had better rushing numbers but worse passing numbers. I'd give Prescott first team All-NFL this year at QB and McCafrey as MVP.

[Whogotitbetter]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

McCafrey should have won MVP. It's hard to imagine a RB having a better season in today's NFL. Tyreek was tracking the same for WR until his injury. It shouldn't necessarily be a QB every season. This season is a good example of that.

Also, I don't think Lamar was even the best QB in the league. Prescott had 12 more TD passes and threw only 2 more INTs than Lamar on 133 more attempts. Lamar had better rushing numbers but worse passing numbers. I'd give Prescott first team All-NFL this year at QB and McCafrey as MVP.

Lamar had the most passing yards against winning teams, 2nd most rushing yards against winning teams (1st is cmc), dak was below .500 against winning teams that won't give you mvp, and it's most valuable his two best running backs go down, and his best target and he still delivered, cmc could've won but lamar was the best player on the field when they faced the 49ers.

[DrunkBassGuitar]

IDK if anyone else noticed this but immediately after the 49ers won their game, the promo said "CMC has lead his team to the NFC Championship, watch it live on blah blah"

I thought it was funny

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Whogotitbetter

Lamar had the most passing yards against winning teams, 2nd most rushing yards against winning teams (1st is cmc), dak was below .500 against winning teams that won't give you mvp, and it's most valuable his two best running backs go down, and his best target and he still delivered, cmc could've won but lamar was the best player on the field when they faced the 49ers.

Maybe try that again in a "per game" format?