Chiefs Are The Patriots Back? - Page 5

stevegroganfan · 11-22-2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

I wouldn't be concerned about their defense. It is good no doubt as most Belichick defenses are, but Reid abuses those defenses. He has done it with Mahomes and with Smith before Mahomes.

I believe BB is undefeated against Reid in the playoffs having beaten Philly with McNabb, Smith and Mahomes. All fairly close games from what I can remember. In regular season, Reid I believe now has an advantage 4 games to 3.

What is probably most informative is Belichick through the years has gotten a little bit better at defending Mahomes.

When/if the Chiefs-Patriots matchup, it should be a great game.

ThyKingdomCome15 · 11-20-2021, 12:59 AM

Back?

Back in contention? Absolutely.
Back to controlling the AFC? No.
Back to the Future? Maybe later.

Rainbarrel · 11-20-2021, 08:08 AM

Mac & Chits

jd1020 · 11-20-2021, 08:14 AM

Dont think the league cares as much about Mac Jones as they do for Brady so I doubt the Patriots will be allowed to have a 2 decade run of cheating.

scho63 · 11-20-2021, 09:58 AM

I mentioned this in another thread but the Pats with Mac Jones remind me so much of Phil Simms and the Giants of the 90s.

Nothing spectacular but good solid mistake free football.

They can keep all their games close enough to win.

**Easy 6** · 11-20-2021, 10:09 AM

They're not BACK back, but they're back enough to disappoint me a little bit... was hoping to see you suffer in the cellar for 10-15 years

UChieffyBugger · 11-20-2021, 10:16 AM

Their wins have been.

Jets twice and Bill ate Wilson alive twice

Texans..another rookie QB.

Atlanta with no Patterson.

Browns with Baker banged up and no Chubb & Hunt (Or OBJ).

Panthers with Darnold (who Bill has tortured previously) falling apart with his injury.

Chargers where Bill exposed Herbert again like they did the year before.

The best win was certainly the Chargers imo but when you look at the list it's filled with a lot of advantages be it injury hit teams or rookie QB's. I have huge respect for their defense though and I think they are more than capable of taking out a high seed like the Ravens, Titans or Bills if they play their best ball.

They have Titans (home), Bills (road), Colts (road) and Bills (home) coming up so that really should reveal a LOT imo.

PAChiefsGuy · 11-20-2021, 10:36 AM

They are definitely on their back to being a consistent playoff team and maybe even better. I wouldn't underestimate them.

That said they don't have Brady anymore so come playoff time I think they'll much more vulnerable than they ever were during the Brady/BB era.

**Bearcat** · 11-20-2021, 10:41 AM

It just goes to show how easy it is for any team to string together a few wins and reach mediocre levels of making the playoffs... and how hard it is to be awful, to the point where you have to assume teams like the Lions are trying to be that bad (just like it took the Patriots not only losing Brady, but half their defense last season). And a lot of fans eat it up.

stevegroganfan · 11-20-2021, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

It just goes to show how easy it is for any team to string together a few wins and reach mediocre levels of making the playoffs... and how hard it is to be awful, to the point where you have to assume teams like the Lions are trying to be that bad (just like it took the Patriots not only losing Brady, but half their defense last season). And a lot of fans eat it up.

To be fair to the dreadful Lions, I doubt Detroit is a FA destination and they may be just trying to rebuild once again with picks. The other factor is it is now easier to make the playoffs than probably ever before since the 7th playoff team has been added to each conference.

One advantage the Patriots had last year is a former MVP and (I believe) an underrated QB in Cam Newton decided to sign with the Patriots for peanuts. That made the Patriots still owing Brady 13.5 million on their cap much easier to manage. Cam was not a top 15 QB but some NFL fans treated Cam like he sucked but that was far from the truth. It was the Patriots tight ends that truly sucked last year.

If some really cheap veteran QB other than Cam Newton came to New England last year, the team probably goes 5-11.

Newton was better than 90% of Patriots fans gave him credit for. He just was not the medium to long term answer. Now if Mathew Stafford had left as a FA to join the Rams or some other team..... I doubt a veteran like Cam Newton agrees to go to the Lions for peanuts after being released from a big contract with Carolina.

My whole point with this is sometimes success breeds success. Antonio Brown doesn't go to Tampa unless Brady had already proven himself. I don't mention Gronk since Tampa Bay at least paid true market value for him.

tredadda · 11-20-2021, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stevegroganfan

To be fair to the dreadful Lions, I doubt Detroit is a FA destination and they may be just trying to rebuild once again with picks. The other factor is it is now easier to make the playoffs than probably ever before since the 7th playoff team has been added to each conference.

One advantage the Patriots had last year is a former MVP and (I believe) an underrated QB in Cam Newton decided to sign with the Patriots for peanuts. That made the Patriots still owing Brady 13.5 million on their cap much easier to manage. Cam was not a top 15 QB but some NFL fans treated Cam like he sucked but that was far from the truth. It was the Patriots tight ends that truly sucked last year.

If some really cheap veteran QB other than Cam Newton came to New England last year, the team probably goes 5-11.

Newton was better than 90% of Patriots fans gave him credit for. He just was not the medium to long term answer. Now if Mathew Stafford had left as a FA to join the Rams or some other team..... I doubt a veteran like Cam Newton agrees to go to the Lions for peanuts after being released from a big contract with Carolina.

My whole point with this is sometimes success breeds success. Antonio Brown doesn't go to Tampa unless Brady had already proven himself. I don't mention Gronk since Tampa Bay at least paid true market value for him.

One of the things the Pats do well, primarily because of Bill is they make average defenders look good. It's no surprise that a large number of defensive players look good in NE and bomb outside of that system. It is similar to Andy and offensive players. Because the Pats can do that, they can get away with not paying top dollar for their defense.

stevegroganfan · 11-21-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

One of the things the Pats do well, primarily because of Bill is they make average defenders look good. It's no surprise that a large number of defensive players look good in NE and bomb outside of that system. It is similar to Andy and offensive players. Because the Pats can do that, they can get away with not paying top dollar for their defense.

Good point. It seems like Belichick prioritizes players with versatility, toughness, and smarts on defense. With the versatile players, he had more options to scheme and try to limit the opposing team's strengths.

**PHOG** · 11-20-2021, 05:43 PM

And there you have the last twenty years of Cheatriot history.

Wilson8 · 11-20-2021, 09:29 PM

Maybe but that is yet to be determined.

Others have already said this, but playing the Jets twice and Texans and Falcons and even their others wins against Browns, Panthers, and Chargers were when those teams were missing key players.

Their upcoming games against Titans, Bills, Colts, Bills, and even the Dolphins will tell a lot about how good the Patriots might be.

JakeF · 11-20-2021, 09:37 PM

Patriots lost Brady, rebuilt fast.

Mahomes, Kelce and Hill are what keep us above them.

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