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Old 07-12-2019, 10:45 AM   #1
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Exactly. Like I said there are a lot of variables when drafting a player. That is why saying 'never take an RB in the 1st round,' is a dumb statement. I can think of situations where taking an RB in the 1st makes sense.
Nelson was a beast for them, but **** that Offense would have been ridiculous with Barkley.

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Or just take a good rb in the 3rd round and take different player early?
Stop underselling how good a back like Barkley is.
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:44 AM   #2
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If you're looking at an elite talent high up and you've got a QB, I mean yeah do it. It made sense to take EE to take the load off Tony Romo and keep that Offense clicking. He just happened to be totally broke the **** down and lucky for them they accidentally fell into Dak Prescott, who is ok.

This conversation would be different if it were a team like the Colts that selected Barkley.
Or just take a good rb in the 3rd round and take different player early?
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Old 07-12-2019, 10:51 AM   #3
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If you're looking at an elite talent high up and you've got a QB, I mean yeah do it. It made sense to take EE to take the load off Tony Romo and keep that Offense clicking. He just happened to be totally broke the **** down and lucky for them they accidentally fell into Dak Prescott, who is ok.

This conversation would be different if it were a team like the Colts that selected Barkley.
You know who was a real generational talent at his position in that draft, though? Quentin Nelson.

If the Colts were picking at 2nd overall in that draft, I'm not so sure they still wouldn't be better served taking Nelson that high over the RB.

And to be honest, if the Giants were really that stubborn about "setting the table" before you throw your young QB out there, I think a pick like Nelson would have been more valuable to that QB than taking the RB. You would have had fans screaming and lashing out about taking an offensive lineman over any of the QBs in what was considered a deep QB draft, but that's exactly what they did anyway when you took the RB, and that's exactly what they did when you took Daniel Jones. It's obvious Gettleman doesn't give a **** what fans or anybody else thinks, so you may as well go with the actual best player if you weren't going to take Darnold or another QB
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:10 AM   #4
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You know who was a real generational talent at his position in that draft, though? Quentin Nelson.

If the Colts were picking at 2nd overall in that draft, I'm not so sure they still wouldn't be better served taking Nelson that high over the RB.

And to be honest, if the Giants were really that stubborn about "setting the table" before you throw your young QB out there, I think a pick like Nelson would have been more valuable to that QB than taking the RB. You would have had fans screaming and lashing out about taking an offensive lineman over any of the QBs in what was considered a deep QB draft, but that's exactly what they did anyway when you took the RB, and that's exactly what they did when you took Daniel Jones. It's obvious Gettleman doesn't give a **** what fans or anybody else thinks, so you may as well go with the actual best player if you weren't going to take Darnold or another QB
Well I mean yeah, it's obvious that Gettleman is clearly reeruned.

While Nelson is really good and will have a long career, I'll take the elite talent that will change my entire Offense.

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Barkley is definitely awesome

But I just don’t think the difference in a generational running back and simply a good running back is worth overspending
But it's not overspending. Thanks for playing.
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I would take fisher at 1 over Barkley

Barkley is a better player but he’s still a rb
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The only time I think a team really ****ed themselves not going RB was when Arizona thought it was a good idea to take Levi Brown instead of Adrian Peterson, they likely win a bowl with Peterson.
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Old 07-12-2019, 11:19 AM   #9
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Gordon doesn't have the durability or the track record to really fetch much in a deal. You let him play out his deal, thank him for his service and let him walk and recoup a future 3rd/4th round comp choice.
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I think the pendulum against running backs has swung too far. At some point the savvy teams will be picking up great running backs at bargain prices, and they'll reap advantages from it. You can't tell me that a team isn't better with Jamaal Charles at running back instead of Montee Ball or Melvin Gordon.
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I’d rather take Fisher over Barkley, even at 1.

RB’s are easy as hell to find. I mean goddamn Damien Williams and Phillip Lindsay were some of the most productive RB’s in the league last year and they weren’t even drafted.

Yeah Fisher is average, but it’s really damn difficult to find even an average LT in the league anymore.
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I’d rather take Fisher over Barkley, even at 1.

RB’s are easy as hell to find. I mean goddamn Damien Williams and Phillip Lindsay were some of the most productive RB’s in the league last year and they weren’t even drafted.

Yeah Fisher is average, but it’s really damn difficult to find even an average LT in the league anymore.
Williams is a product of Reid and Mahomes. Put him on another team he is average at best. Barkley would be elite anywhere. Put Barkley on the Chiefs our O would be unstoppable.
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Williams is a product of Reid and Mahomes. Put him on another team he is average at best. Barkley would be elite anywhere. Put Barkley on the Chiefs our O would be unstoppable.
Uh you just proved my point
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Uh you just proved my point
Yeah because every HC and QB in the NFL are as good as Mahomes and Reid.

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Saquon Barkley
1,307 yards, 5.8 YPC, 11 rush TD’s; 4 receiving TD’s

Phillip Lindsay
1,037 yards, 5.4 YPC, 9 rush TD’s; 1 receiving TD

Damien Williams
256 yards, 5.1 YPC, 4 rush TD’s; 2 receiving TD’s

Two undrafted RB’s had roughly the same efficiency as a 2nd overall RB. And Lindsay/Williams got nowhere near as many carries or catch attempts as Saquon.

Drafting any RB at 2 is reeruned.
What round was Tom Brady drafted in? Joe Montana? Was Mahomes drafted at #2 overall?

You can find elite players in every round for any position. The stats you just posted dont prove anything.
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Yeah because every HC and QB in the NFL are as good as Mahomes and Reid.



What round was Tom Brady drafted in? Joe Montana? Was Mahomes drafted at #2 overall?

You can find elite players in every round for any position. The stats you just posted dont prove anything.
The vast majority of QBs are drafted in the first if not early first round

The chances of finding an elite qb in the mid to late rounds are much less than finding a running back
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