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hard cap is tough to work with.
wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to do it like NBA with an apron and luxury tax with ability to go over the cap to sign your own player (i.e. Bird Rights). not sure its viable with 53 guys vs like 15 on a basketball roster, but end of the day if we could go over the cap to keep Sneed, I think everyone wins and we'd probably already have Jones locked up too. |
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Same. I mentioned it in another thread. If you put Seth with Nick Jacobs or Craig stout where they could really just talk ball that would be great.
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The NBA system is not great. Now if you were to take it and make it go from covering a team with 15-20 players to 53+ it would be an even BIGGER mess. Especially when you consider the broad disparity between similarly situated players who play different positions (not the case in the NBA; a great PG is going to get paid roughly the same as a great C). Nah - the NBA system just couldn't work in the NFL, IMO. And frankly there's no good reason for the NFL to implement it. The NFL broke the NFLPA's backs decades ago. Why would they ever go backwards from there?
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02-28-2024, 06:52 PM | #69 |
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Nah, this works a lot like in business. At least, my business.
As a manager I recruited people out of college, gave them their first job, showed them the ropes and our process, they created things that built their resume and increased their value in the market. And then when they came to me saying they got an offer from XXX company for a certain amount, I often would say "good luck" and hire another. Or, the few rare ones who were worth it, I would get them the salary and or title to keep them there. Or even more likely, I was giving them raises and titles as they grew. My favorite thing to do was to give someone a raise without them asking. But I let plenty of people walk. |
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NFL teams should have at least 2 roster exemptions for what I call Hometown Heroes, players who the team drafted, and that have been to X number of Pro Bowls or have X number of All-Pros. Fans, and teams, shouldn't have to lose players like Kelce, Jones, or Sneed, because the team drafted well, and those players shouldn't have to leave their only team in order to get market value because they performed well on the field and the team was successful. |
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As far as market value, I think that is hard define, and I should have worded it differently I guess. But, I do know that Kelce should have been the highest paid TE for several years, obviously, and if he wanted to be paid what he is worth, he would probably be playing somewhere else. We are lucky that Kelce is different than most players, and isn't all about the bag. I know that Jones deserves to be at least the 2nd highest paid DT in the league. I know that Sneed deserves at least $20 million dollars a year. Maybe a better way to avoid situations like this is to remove the QB salaries from the salary cap numbers. Put some sort of limitation on what teams can pay QBs, like say the max you can pay a QB in a given year is X% of the salary cap max amount. Like, if the salary cap is $250 million, the max a QB could make is 25% of $250 million, but you still get the full $250 million to pay all other players. |
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That will never be known, and how would you define it? Merchandise sales benefit the league as a whole, NFL players in commercials benefit the league as a whole too. Now factor in that players might be considered depreciable assets as far as the business is concerned and what gets reported as profit on tqxes really gets skewed.
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Regardless, you "know" that Jones and Sneed deserve that. But what about a player like Christian Kirk who people probably had pegged at 10-15mm/yr? And then there's just one team like the Jags who are willing to pay 18mm AAV and suddenly that's the market for him? How would it have worked for Tyreek Hill when the Chiefs were willing to pay a ton but other teams were willing to pay a ton plus a couple million more? I think the system is set up pretty well right now. The franchise tag is what it is and it creates longer-lasting relationships. And if that doesn't work out, then the player has options and the team has the ability to recoup some value. And that's what's going on with Sneed at the moment. (Jones is on his third contract so is an entirely different beast.) If you create some system where you're carving out the QB or placing caps on them, you're giving an insane advantage to a team like the Chiefs who have the best QB in the world. |
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Imagine how good this Chiefs team would have been before Free Agency and the salary cap worth the way they draft? Yeesh
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