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Will Andy Ever Win The Big One?
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Where does Andy Reid rank among coaches who never won a Super Bowl? January 21, 2019, 5:03 PM GMT Andy Reid had a good chance to finally get a ring, but his 20th season as a NFL head coach ended the same as the previous 19. Without a Super Bowl title. His quest to raise the Lombardi will continue. There’s no denying that Reid otherwise has one of the best resumes in league history. Reid’s 195 regular season wins are the eighth-most in league history and he has both Marty Schottenheimer (200) and Paul Brown (213) in his sights. To put it in further perspective, Reid has more regular season wins in similar timeframes than both Chuck Noll (193 wins over 23 season) and Bill Parcells (172 wins over 19 seasons). He took the Eagles to four straight NFC title games in the early 2000s, winning one before falling to the Patriots in Super Bowl XXXIX. Andy Reid is among the best coaches to never win a Super Bowl.* (AP) Andy Reid is among the best coaches to never win a Super Bowl. (AP) What’s more, Reid’s coaching tree is full of thick and sturdy branches and it’s hard to find anyone in the league who will say a bad word about him, which is rare. There were a lot of people left disappointed on Sunday that Reid couldn’t get by Bill Belichick again. The presence of Patrick Mahomes and the trust of the Hunt family should guarantee that Reid gets a few more good shots at winning a Super Bowl. But even if he doesn’t, he won’t be the first great coach to never win a title. Here’s how he currently ranks among the best coaches to never finish a season atop the league: 10. Marv Lewis, Bengals Regular season record: 131-122 (.518) over 16 seasons Playoff record: 0-7 What’s that? This isn’t a listicle of “best coaches to never win a playoff game?” Eh, that’s still OK. Getting the Bengals into the playoffs seven different times was a great feat for Lewis, who was finally fired after this season. He may not be the peers of the men at the top of this list, but leading one of the greatest defenses of all time (the 2000 Ravens) plus winning in Cincinnati is enough to land him on it. 9. John Fox, Panthers/Broncos/Bears Regular season: 133-123 (.520) over 16 seasons Playoff record: 8-7, two Super Bowl appearances Fox is a tricky one. Take away three dismal seasons with the Bears and his career winning percentage is .569. But take away three seasons of Peyton Manning and it plunges to .456. (It’s not lost on anyone that taking Fox away from Manning in Denver resulted in Manning’s second Super Bowl ring.) Still, Fox is just one of six coaches to take two different teams to the Super Bowl. 8. Chuck Knox, Rams/Bills/Seahawks Regular season: 186-147 (.558) over 22 seasons Playoff record: 7-11, four NFC title game appearances Fox, then Knox, then box in socks. Sounds like a Dr. Seuss stanza. Knox never made a Super Bowl, but the tough-nosed coach had a knack for turning teams around. He made four conference title games (including three in the mid-70s with the Rams) but could never quite reach the biggest stage. An unsuccessful second tour of duty with the Rams in the ‘90s marred his overall record a bit, but it’s hard to argue with 186 wins. 7. Dan Reeves, Broncos/Giants/Falcons Regular season: 190-165 (.535) over 23 seasons Playoff record: 11-9, four Super Bowl appearances Another non-winning member of the two-team Super Bowl club, it’s also hard to judge Reeves career. Do you dock him for failing to win a Super Bowl during three trips with a young John Elway? Or do you credit him for reaching one in Atlanta with Chris Chandler? Coaching an AFC team in the NFC’s era of dominance didn’t do him any favors. Don Coryell was an offensive genius with the Chargers. (Getty Images) Don Coryell was an offensive genius with the Chargers. (Getty Images) 6. Don Coryell, Cardinals/Chargers Regular season: 111-83 (.572) over 14 seasons Playoff record: 3-6, two AFC title game appearances Coryell’s innovations in the passing game earn him a revered spot amongst the coaching fraternity — as does the success of his coaching tree (John Madden, Joe Gibbs among others). Unfortunately, Coryell’s Chargers teams, which made two AFC title games, were the equivalent of the Steve Nash-era Suns. A great show that ultimately wasn’t built for postseason success. 5. Andy Reid, Eagles/Chiefs Regular season: 195-124 (.611) over 20 seasons Playoff record: 12-14 over 14 appearances, one Super Bowl appearance He’s the only man on this list who has a job and thus a chance of removing himself from it. Only reaching the Super Bowl once keeps him from being ranked ahead of the coaches below. 4. Marv Levy, Chiefs/Bills Regular season: 143-112 (.561) over 17 seasons Playoff record:11-8, four Super Bowl appearances Levy doesn’t have as many wins as other coaches on this list, but think about what he accomplished with those teams. A lot of coaches have won a Super Bowl, but only one has played in four straight — Levy. Considering those Bills teams could have easily been torn apart by a mixture of ego, success and disappointment, Levy’s coaching acumen is unquestionable. 3. Marty Schottenheimer, Browns/Chiefs/Chargers/Redskins Regular season: 200-126 (.613) over 21 seasons Playoff record: 5-13, three AFC title game appearances Schottenheimer is seventh on the NFL’s all-time coaching wins list; the six men ahead of him are all in the Hall of Fame and have at least one Super Bowl or NFL title to their names. Schotty was a great regular-season coach, but he suffered from some of the most horrendous luck in the playoffs. Were it not for “The Drive,” “The Fumble,” Lin Elliott or Marlon McCree, Schottenheimer might already be occupying a deserved spot in Canton. 2. George Allen, Rams/Redskins Regular season: 116-47-5 over 12 seasons Playoff record: 2-7, one Super Bowl appearance The father of the nickel defense, Allen was known as a football coach’s football coach. He never posted a losing season and helped turn around both the Rams and Redskins upon taking over. Allen could never win the playoffs, though, and his one Super Bowl appearance unfortunately came against the undefeated 1972 Miami Dolphins. Bud Grant reached four Super Bowls, but went 0-4. (Getty Images) Bud Grant reached four Super Bowls, but went 0-4. (Getty Images) 1. Bud Grant, Vikings Regular season: 158-96-5 (.621) over 18 seasons Playoff record: 10-12, four Super Bowl appearances The Vikings are one of the most underrated tortured fanbases and not enough people talk about Grant as the guy who never got the big one. After winning the Grey Cup four times in the CFL, Grant came to Minnesota and dominated the ‘70s. The Vikings won 11 of 13 NFC Central titles behind the Purple People Eaters and made the Super Bowl four times. Grant won a 290 games between the NFL and CFL, a combined total that puts him just behind George Halas and Don Shula for career coaching wins. Grant and Levy are the only Super Bowl-era coaches in the Hall of Fame who never won a Super Bowl. |
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01-26-2019, 09:06 AM | #46 |
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All we need to do is be middle of the pack in terms of penalties and defense, and we will win one. If he can't make the super bowl by the time Mahomes contract expires, he needs to go.
It was a horrible error in judgement to keep Sutton around as long as he did. |
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01-26-2019, 09:06 AM | #47 |
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I want to believe that Mahomes changes that. But I’m really struggling to be positive after I saw the offensive gameplan in the first half of the Pats game. He seemed to go away from what was working for us all year. Screens, and motions were non existent, and everything just looked different. I hope next time he has a better first half gameplan. Mahomes is a God, but is he enough to overcome Andy’s playoff blunders? I sure ****ing hope so, but at this point I’m skeptical at best.
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01-26-2019, 09:43 AM | #48 |
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I say no for two reasons. First, Andy is a great offensive coordinator and an average head coach. He doesn't seem to be a full team coach and leaves the defense to the other guys. Second, the Chiefs are a model organization which is more interested in public opinion than winning. I base this on their loyalty to players and the large number of contracts that have strapped the team over the years.
Didn't want Andy/Alex when they were brought here and still don't want someone else's trash. I'm not sure how many five year plans I have left. |
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01-26-2019, 09:47 AM | #49 |
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Sure he will, because of Mahomes. Almost all coaches who win SBs will them shortly after becoming head coach. Reid will be the exception. He's come close, has a great offensive mind, and this was Mahomes first year starting. He could actually get quite a bit better. Think about that.
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01-26-2019, 10:16 AM | #50 |
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Yes he will, mostly due to Mahomes. I'm not going to blame the total crapfest of the 1st half totally on Andy. There were passes missed and dropped that could have lead to scoring. But the greater problem was the D. How many 3rd and longs did Brady overcome because Sutton couldn't/wouldn't adjust? When the broadcast booth starts dissecting the defense and calling the play, you know the Hoddie knew it, too. Spags may not be the total answer, but we sure know Sutton took us down a dark path.
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01-26-2019, 10:16 AM | #51 |
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If just average coaches like Billick, Kubiak and Switzer can win it, Andy can too.
Sometimes its just timing, circumstance, and luck.
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01-26-2019, 10:23 AM | #52 |
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Switzer??? Please, I could have won one with the 95 Cowboys.
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