Andy Reid may not be right coach for Chiefs

[oaklandhater]

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...ach-for-chiefs

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Andy Reid was hailed as a hero shortly after joining the Kansas City Chiefs as head coach in 2013, and why not? Reid took a team that had been the worst in the league the year before, and not only won his first nine games but guided the Chiefs into the playoffs.

Reid's star barely dimmed in Kansas City as he took the Chiefs to the playoffs in each of the past three seasons. He even won a playoff game two years ago, the Chiefs' first postseason victory in 22 years.

The free pass for Reid should be over now.

Reid guided Kansas City in Saturday's 22-21 playoff loss to the Tennessee Titans at Arrowhead Stadium. The Chiefs led by 18 points at halftime and collapsed after that.

This makes Reid 1-4 with the Chiefs in the playoffs, and the latest defeat was not the first big blown lead of the bunch. The Chiefs had the Colts down 38-10 in the third quarter in the playoffs after the 2013 season and they lost that one, too.

Reid's two blown leads of 18 points or more in the playoffs are as many as every other coach in the NFL since 1933.

This latest loss stings more than the one against the Colts. That one was bad, but at least it happened on the road and in Reid's first season, with a team that was not yet complete in his image.

This time the Chiefs wasted a big playoff lead at home. They did it with a team that was supposedly built not just to get into the playoffs but advance in them.

Quarterback Alex Smith acknowledged afterward that the 2017 Chiefs underachieved, and it's hard to argue with him on that point.

Beyond the blown leads, Reid is costing the Chiefs in the playoffs in other ways. His game management has been a problem at times in the postseason. The Chiefs were deliberate offensively despite being down by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter of a game in New England two years ago. They eventually scored a touchdown but took so much time in doing so they had no choice but to try an onside kick to keep the ball.

With the Patriots aware it was coming, the tactic failed and the Chiefs lost.

Trailing the Titans by a point with two minutes to go in the fourth quarter, the Chiefs tried to convert on fourth-and-9 from the Tennessee 44 with all three timeouts remaining. Smith's pass for Albert Wilson was incomplete and the Chiefs were doomed, never to get the ball back.

It's important to remember here how bad the Chiefs were when Reid arrived. They were a forlorn franchise that won no more than four games in four of the six previous seasons. They were barely competitive in each of their two playoff games before his arrival.

He was hired to provide some much-needed stability and Reid has accomplished that. The Chiefs have made the playoffs in four of his five seasons. They've won back-to-back division titles for the first time in franchise history.

That counts for something. But its meaning loses impact when the Chiefs continually can't budge beyond their opening playoff game. They did that once, two years ago against a dismal opponent in the Houston Texans.

Reid at this juncture looks like a coach who is good enough to get the Chiefs to the playoffs but not beyond. That's why they have to take a moment or two to ponder whether he's still the right guy for the job.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

And this, again, is why I say it's really all about QB play.

Coaches get you to the postseason. QBs get you through the postseason.

That's why Tony Dungy has a ring and Marty doesn't.

Clay, you couldn’t be more right about this.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Servant_KC

Not really. Draft another and start over.

like Hunt will do that.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The Chiefs offense disproved the notion that Andy is some dink and dunk head coach who doesn't believe in going down the field this year.

It was already complete ****ing bullshit, simply based on his offenses in Philly, but people wanted to lie to themselves because of Alex bla bla bla.

That's exactly what happened once Kelcee went down. Andy got all nervous, pulled Hill off of KO's, and went super conservative with a bunch of lateral passing.

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The point of Mahomes isn't going to be pushing the ball down the field more. That was going to happen no matter who our next QB was. The point will be the ad-libbing in clutch situations, the creation of offense outside the construct of what Reid draws up. That's the element we've always lacked.

Mahomes has a cannon, balls, confidence, and absolutely will attempt more passes deep because he believes he can. He's not afraid to try and fit it in that small window...

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Servant_KC

Not really. Draft another and start over.

Yep

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by RunKC

If this shit happens again next year Clark needs to fire the fat ****.

I want to see Andy coach two playoff games with Mahomes.

If the same shit happens he's the common denominator.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

And this, again, is why I say it's really all about QB play.

Coaches get you to the postseason. QBs get you through the postseason.

That's why Tony Dungy has a ring and Marty doesn't.

Until Andy goes full reerun again. We’ve seen this before.

Source: Falcons SB collapse

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t look at HC’s in this black and white way that most people do .... Any good coach can win a SB with the right team/QB and a little bit of luck.

Ah, ok. Well good luck and is there a timeframe you have for PM playing at that level while Andy is still the HC or are you ok waiting another 4-5 years if that's the case?

If it's not Andy - then how long is the expected wait for PM to get there as a QB?

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ah, ok. Well good luck and is there a timeframe you have for PM playing at that level while Andy is still the HC or are you ok waiting another 4-5 years if that's the case?

If it's not Andy - then how long is the expected wait for PM to get there as a QB?

Mahomes play can be looked at separately from Reid's coaching.

There is the play Reid calls for a 3rd and 8 and there is PM's execution of the play...

[RunKC]

2001 vs Rams-17 pts first half/7 pts second half
2002 vs Bucs-10 pts first half/0 puts second half

This was with McNabb. We’ve seen this bullshit from Andy before. He will NEVER change.

[notorious]

It’s unreal how much Andy has handicapped himself by not hiring someone to cover his flaws.

I run a successful business, and fear that my flaws will fail me so much that I go out of my way to fix them, buy the right equipment, hire a competent person, etc. I WANT someone to call me out or cover it when my flaws appear.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Any good coach can win a SB with the right team/QB and a little bit of luck i.e. help from the refs

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Ah, ok. Well good luck and is there a timeframe you have for PM playing at that level while Andy is still the HC or are you ok waiting another 4-5 years if that's the case?

If it's not Andy - then how long is the expected wait for PM to get there as a QB?

Go **** yourself you passive aggressive bundle of sticks.

First it was you guys can’t sin a SB with Alex, and now that you know he’s gone it’s Reid. You’re completely dismissing the possibility that Mahomes is going to be the difference because you’re in denial that the Chiefs finally have an elite QB talent.

That playoff loss sucked, but it’s going to be fun when our badass QB takes over the AFC, and I’ll be here to say I told you so.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Rausch

That's exactly what happened once Kelcee went down. Andy got all nervous, pulled Hill off of KO's, and went super conservative with a bunch of lateral passing.

That's NOT true. There were vertical routes being called, Alex was just taking the short stuff.

This is the first play of the third quarter. Reid dialed up a deep route to Hill but pressure forced a short throw.



The Chiefs only had two more passes called in this quarter and Smith passed up downfield routes on both. They're in the All 22 thread. The plays with Harris and Wilson.

Here's another play in the 4th quarter with three downfield routes and Smith is taking the checkdown to Harris.



I actually just went through the second half All 22 and there wasn't a SINGLE wide receiver screen called. The only time Alex threw the ball sideways was when he dumped it to Reek when he passed up the downfield route.

The people blaming Andy Reid are ****ing morons.

What Andy was doing was fine, but drops and Alex being Alex killed any chance at success.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That playoff loss sucked, but it’s going to be fun when our badass QB takes over the AFC, and I’ll be here to say I told you so.

We've owned the AFCW for two years and have jack and shit to show for it.

Hunt needs to put his foot down and tell Andy to be the HC. Delegate and don't micro-manage...

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Go **** yourself you passive aggressive pillowbitergot.

First it was you guys can’t sin a SB with Alex, and now that you know he’s gone it’s Reid. You’re completely dismissing the possibility that Mahomes is going to be the difference because you’re in denial that the Chiefs finally have an elite QB talent.

That playoff loss sucked, but it’s going to be fun when our badass QB takes over the AFC, and I’ll be here to say I told you so.

I hope so man. I really do.

We have got to get a good DC and some pass rushers if we want to be successful next year.