Josh Allen is NOT a tier one QB.

[penguinz]

He is not in the top tier. Pretty clear the top tier is just Mahomes and Burrow.

[Hoopsdoc]

Originally Posted by mkp785

Josh is a taller, less crazy Jeff George or a white Cam Newton.

Jeff George had a stronger arm than Allen.

Allen is a better passer than Newton ever was.

[Mahomes_Is_God]

Originally Posted by penguinz

He is not in the top tier. Pretty clear the top tier is just Mahomes

FYP

[jettio]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Chiefs lost by 4 and it was mostly their own mistakes that were the cause not JA. Chiefs were also missing Gay, McDuffie, CEH was the RB.

C'mon man, that's nuts.

If you have that game on dvr or you tube, go ahead and watch it again.

Billls were down Hall of Famer Von Miller and All Pro Micah Hyde yesterday and were on third stringers in secondary and some of them got hurt.

Bills got their asses handed to them, just because they play in Buffalo and Josh Allen played at Wyoming, people assume they can play in snow.

Bengals were way better than Bills in a game where the snow affected footing.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

And this guy makes fun of others’ takes? I see why he rarely offers takes of his own.

[Bl00dyBizkitz]

I had to look this up, but Peyton Manning's playoff record is 14-13. Not very great.

It's entirely possible that Josh Allen has a .500 playoff record and is still considered an all-time elite QB. Very early to be making this proclamations.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by CervezaChill

I am coming across as a Herbert fan when I’m very far from it. The point I was trying to make was Burrow is closer to Herbert than he is to Mahomes in my humble opinion.

In the game you reference, Herbert’s top receiver literally had a broken back and they basically forgot to run the ball. Not to mention Bosa having a meltdown. Burrow in his wins hasn’t really showed much ‘moxy’ apart from in pre or post game interviews, and I’m sure the team has rallied around him as a leader which is creditable. But I can’t recall a single game where his actual gameplay won them a game or he was required to do that. Burrow is getting away with the ‘moxy’ because his team is backing it up, he will be flirting with the ‘Mayfield’ line when he doesn’t have a premier team and they don’t actually win as much.

Sherbet still had Allen, Palmer, Eckeler, and Everett. If he can’t win with that because he didn’t have Williams, that’s a problem. We can blame second half running (or lack there of) as a reason for the loss, but he still had five turnovers in the first half to work with and only generated 27 points. I see a guy who is talented but lacks the “it” needed to be a Mahomes caliber QB.

With Burrow, I agree that he has a ton of talent around him and I have been vocal about how good he would be without all of it. Watching him play, you see things like his ability to process quickly which is critical for a QB, he typically makes great decisions, is accurate, gets the ball out fast which protects his line a lot, and has a knack for making big plays with his legs when needed despite not being a true running QB. I just don’t see that from Sherbert. He gets far too much praise heaped on him without actually doing anything to justify it. When he fails he gets excuses.

I am not here to paint him as a QB who is better than Mahomes because he isn’t. But what I do see intangibles that will translate well over the course of his career. He will have to do more with less, but I have far more confidence that he will vs a Sherbert.

[Urc Burry]

Bills fans are lashing out now. Now they claim they just don’t have as good as a roster as us and the rest of the teams in the playoffs. Idk why they just can’t put SOME blame on Allen. They scored 10 ****ing points. We have Mahomes plenty of blame when we scored 24 in the bengals lost last year. He had a horrible second half, and in perspective he only had the ball 3 times. But when you get called the best it’s unacceptable

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz

I had to look this up, but Peyton Manning's playoff record is 14-13. Not very great.

It's entirely possible that Josh Allen has a .500 playoff record and is still considered an all-time elite QB. Very early to be making this proclamations.

If Peyton didn't have a ring he would not be viewed the same either.

JA wont ever play in a superbowl.

[BigCatDaddy]

He is what his draft profile said he was.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Bills fans are lashing out now. Now they claim they just don’t have as good as a roster as us and the rest of the teams in the playoffs. Idk why they just can’t put SOME blame on Allen. They scored 10 ****ing points. We have Mahomes plenty of blame when we scored 24 in the bengals lost last year. He had a horrible second half, and in perspective he only had the ball 3 times. But when you get called the best it’s unacceptable

Over on the Bills board you se McDermott being compared to Marty Schottenheimer, people wanting to clean house, pining for Sean Payton, calls to trade Diggs and the other playmakers to start over, turn into a run-first team, and all kinds of crazy nonsense

[the steam]

I agree with OP. Allen and Herbert need to have some postseason success to move to tier 1.

[chiefzilla1501]

I mean, yeah there was always Brady and Peyton and everyone else. But still rodgers was plenty deserving of being T1. And Allen’s postseason accomplishments seem pretty similar to rodgers at this point (other than 1 Super Bowl appearance, but rodgers had way more time to get his)

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Urc Burry

Bills fans are lashing out now. Now they claim they just don’t have as good as a roster as us and the rest of the teams in the playoffs. Idk why they just can’t put SOME blame on Allen. They scored 10 ****ing points. We have Mahomes plenty of blame when we scored 24 in the bengals lost last year. He had a horrible second half, and in perspective he only had the ball 3 times. But when you get called the best it’s unacceptable

It happens, though. Visit this forum after a loss. You’ll see somebody has bumped the “Brett Veach is the best GM” thread and is openly mocking everybody who ever supported him.

When you lose in the playoffs, part of the coping process is thinking about what went wrong. The team roster is a big part of that, so we get a bunch of “here’s a list of players who suck! Our team is Mahomes, Kelce, and a bag of shit!!!!”

The Bills got mauled in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Their fans probably got a lot of hand wringing to do

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by the steam

I agree with OP. Allen and Herbert need to have some postseason success to move to tier 1.

I mean he’s young and has 3 playoff wins. He’s unfortunate to be playing against some insane competition. Rodgers and Brees never had to deal with Brady or Peyton and they still only managed one Super Bowl in their long career. I bet if he played in the nfc he’d have a good shot at a Super Bowl by now.

Herbert is a different story. He doesn’t have any track record of winning so it’s shocking he’s even on anyone’s list

[FloridaMan88]

It would have been impossible to do, but Buffalo in the long run would have been better keeping Daboll even if that meant getting rid of McDermott and promoting Daboll to HC.