Chiefs The Andy Reid Offense - Page 4

**petegz28** · 01-06-2013, 09:51 AM

I know he is pretty much West Coast. I remember hearing though while McNabb was there that he wanted McNabb to be more of a pocket passer. So, how does Bowe fit into this offense if he fits at all? Is Breaston a fit or is he good as gone? For available QB's in the draft do you still see Geno Smith as "the one" or do you think Reid goes with someone else? Do you think Alex Smith is now on the radar or does Cassel get a pass being the veteran with a contract and thus safe in a backup role at the least?

What about Hillis? Does he return or are we set with Gray and Droughn? I don't see Dex leaving but I can't see him being fielded as a #2 WR in a WC offense either.

Thoughts?

**BossChief** · 01-06-2013, 10:50 AM

Wylie ran a sub 4.4 at the combine.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-06-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

How does Jake O Connell fit in this offense?

Andy Reid has always got great receiving production out of his tight ends, but unlike Erhardt Perkins doesn't rely nearly as much on the 2 TE sets. Bye bye Jake.

**Dylan** · 01-06-2013, 11:00 AM

I have a ton of stuff saved on Andy Reid and the Eagles - However, there was no need to save links:

2010: A look at Eagles’ head coach Andy Reid. The west coast system schemes, concepts, tendencies, etc.

Philly hasn’t changed much since I was playing them twice a season with the Redskins. An offense that focuses on inside breaking routes. And, like we talked about last week, coaches don’t change their identity.

Here are my game prep notes and a breakdown of the Eagles’ offense…

Philadelphia at Washington
Breakdowns and tendencies are complied from the opponent’s four previous games…

Reid’s personnel groupings:
Pro: 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB
Ace: 2 WR, 2 TE, 1 RB
Posse: 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB
Tank: 1 WR, 2 TE, 2 RB
Jumbo: 3 TE, 2 RB

Key personnel in breakdown:
WR (focus of the passing game)
RB

Receiver terminology
X= Split End
Z=Flanker
Y= on the line TE
U= 2nd TE in the game
W=Slot receiver
R= RB
F= FB

*Game plan tip: WE aligned out of position--he is getting the ball.

Screens: 14 total screens: Posse (8x)/ Ace (3x)
1st and 10=5x
2nd and 10=5x

Alerts:
Most screens run in plus territory
9 screens to our left/ 6 to our right
Throwback screen: Alert QB sprint action to our left
Bunch into the boundary (sidelines) alert screen to No.36
RB motion to empty= missile (bubble) screen

Gadgets
Alert to WR aligned out of position (WR was the “X’” receiver)
Double reverse out of Pro personnel to WR
Flea-flicker out of Ace personnel: WR aligned inside of the numbers
All reverses are run to our right
Eagles 1st and 2nd down
*65% percent pass to run ratio

Top run concepts:
Broken down into two-back and one-back runs. The same runs with LeSean McCoy.

Two-back runs
1. Lead Weak
2. Stretch Strong
One-back runs
1. Stretch Strong
2. Stretch Weak
3. Draw

Top pass concepts
*Vs. the west coast system, the majority of the routes want to be completed between the hash marks and the numbers

1. Hi-Lo (square in- shallow crosser)
2. Hi-Lo opposite (shallow crossers from opposite sides)
3. Hi-Lo Triple In (square in-shallow crosser-angle)
4. Middle Read (9-dig-9 combo)
5. All slants
6. Tare (option-flat combo)
7. Yankee (Deep crosser by “Z”/ Deep 7 by “X”)
8. Outs
9. Hitches
10. Flood
11. Options

Formation Alerts:
Broken down by formation/ alignments over personnel

Doubles/ Walk (2 x 2 with TE removed from core of formation)
TE to our right=Run alert
TE to our left=Pass alert
Any motion to create Doubles/ Walk= Pass alert
No.2 over split (wide split)= Run alert
RB aligned in slot= Option route
WR aligned as “Z” receiver with reduced split (tight split)=“Yankee” alert (deep crossing route—same route from DeSean Jackson)

Doubles/ Near-Far back (2x2 with RB aligned offset near or far)
RB offset to No.81=Hi-Lo route concept (square in-shallow crosser combo)
RB “chowed” (aligned on outside leg of OT) to our right=Sprint Pass alert
QB under center=9 to 1 Pass

Orange (2x2 spread look)
No.1 WRs aligned on bottom of numbers=Out Routes
No.1 WRs aligned on top of numbers= Verticals

Pro Sets
RB aligned at depth of 6-yards or less=3-step passing game
Z with “nasty” split (very tight split)= Flood/ X-Slant to WR
RB “chowed” to TE= No. 36 on Angle route
I formation=Deep ball
WR aligned at Z with pre-snap motion= “Spot Route” (7-crul-flat combo)

Unit/ Unit Slot (2 TEs in the game aligned in core of formation)
9 passes/ 7 runs
Two TEs in wing alignment=Pass alert
Unit Slot (wing with WR slot to the field)= deep ball: Dino (Double Post)/ OVS (Outside Vertical Stretch…9-7-flat combo)
Any WR motion=Pass alert
Both WRs aligned in “nasty” splits=OVS
Formation into the boundary= Dino alert

Trips
RB offset=Pass alert
Motion=Pass alert
WR aligned as No.3 strong=Tare (option-flat combo)
WR aligned at X= 9 or slant

Eagles Third Down
Jackson is a top target in the 3rd down concepts for the Eagles.

Pass Protections
Always know what protection schemes you are going to face in your blitz packages

3rd and 2-6: 6-man protection (10x)
3rd and 7-10” 7-man protections(11x)/ 6-man protections(9x)
3rd and 11-plus: 7-man protection (7x)/ 6-man protection (7 x)

Empty tips (no backs in backfield)
QB under center= 3-step passing tree
QB in gun= Hi-Lo concepts

Alerts:
Doubles Y Off= Double moves
Alert Missile Screen

Top Runs:
1. RB Draw
2. QB Draw
3. Stretch Strong/ Weak

Top Pass Concepts:
Break down the route tree by down and distance

3rd and 2-6
1. Hi-Lo Triple In
2. W Post
3. Outs
4. R Option
5. Flat-Slants
6. Tare (empty)
7. All Slants

3rd and 7-10
1. Middle Read (big play for Jeremy Maclin today)
2. NCAA (Z- Dig/ Y- shallow crosser/ X-Post)
3. Sprint (Smash-7 combo)

3rd and 11+
1. Sticks (All Curls)
2. Dagger (Seam-Dig combo)
3. Double Dig
4. 999 (4 Verticals)
5. Sucker (Curl-Dig combo)
6. Pin (Dig-Post combo)

Eagles 2-minute offense
*Alert screen/draw to start series

Alerts:
97% Posse/ Pony (2 RBs in the backfield)
3 screens
6-man protection (13x)
7-man protection (6x)

Top 2-minute concepts:
1. Middle Read
2. Tare
3. Curl-Flat
4. 4 Verticals
5. Whip Options
6. Zone Pass (short curls)
7. Sprint: 7-Flat combo

Eagles Red Zone
Concepts are broken down into High Red Zone (25-16 yard line) and Red Zone (15 to goal line)

Alerts:
Will run the ball to set up passing concepts
Alert screen and check down to RB
WR motions inside of the numbers= point of attack
WR motions outside of the numbers=waste motion
Empty with WR aligned inside of numbers=middle of the field ISO route

High Red Zone Concepts:
1. PIN
2. Middle Read
3. X ISO
4. Scissors (8-7 combo)
5. MOF ISO
6. Outs

Red Zone Concepts:
1. Spot
2. Flood
3. Hi-Lo
4. Hi-lo Triple in Flood (square in-shallow crosser-angle-R swing)
5. Sprint Option

Critical Plays
Backed up. 3rd and short. Four-minute situation. 4th down play.

What do the Eagles run when they are protecting a lead or need to move the sticks?
*8 total plays we scouted: 6 passes/ 2 runs

2 runs
1. RB Flip
2. 20 Trap

6 passes (all to our left)
1. Spot (2x)
2. Wheel route (RB)
3. Tare
4. Outs
5. Sprint option

*2-point play: WR aligns in backfield/ run sprint option

*Our lead call in a critical play situation? Cover 2 out of a 4-3 Over front

Eagles goal line
Top personnel: Jumbo/ Tank

Top runs: ( 4 of 6 runs to our right)
1. Stretch
2. Lead Weak
3. Lead Strong
4. Power Bob O (back on backer)

Top Passes:
1. Boot
2. Sprint Option
3. Pop Pass (Y quick release)
4. 7-Falt

“Gotta Have it” play
Every offense has a play/ concept they will run with the game on the line. Vs. Philly we broke down two of them.

Eagles "Gotta Have it" Plays
1. Hi-Lo crossers
2. Dagger

Game prep for Andy Reid’s Eagles. Looking at the concepts, we will see the same routes, runs and red zone passing tree. The west coast offense has added some new concepts over time, but when you break it down by down and distance, formations and situational football—it really hasn’t changed.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-06-2013, 11:01 AM

Dylan, you rock

chiefzilla1501 · 01-06-2013, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Wylie ran a sub 4.4 at the combine.

he's also short. He's going to be a slot receiver. A lot of short receivers are a little bit awkward taking deeper passes. Dante Hall and Jamaal Charles (when lined up as a receiver) and McCluster are three great examples. Wylie's value, like those three guys, is his explosiveness and acceleration.

Maclin is a fast guy and a big target. And he's a pure Y receiver vs. being in the slot. Reid needs one of those guys and Breaston aien't it.

**Dylan** · 01-06-2013, 11:03 AM

PGM:

LOL...

I like to study schemes - especially on our opponents

crazycoffey · 01-06-2013, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

he's also short. He's going to be a slot receiver. A lot of short receivers are a little bit awkward taking deeper passes. Dante Hall and Jamaal Charles (when lined up as a receiver) and McCluster are three great examples. Wylie's value, like those three guys, is his explosiveness and acceleration.

Maclin is a fast guy and a big target. And he's a pure Y receiver vs. being in the slot. Reid needs one of those guys and Breaston aien't it.

T Owens is available

milkman · 01-06-2013, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Doesn't have to be Wallace. But I see Wylie and McCluster as two guys who are more YAC receivers. Get them the ball in space and let them make some crazy moves to get upfield. They're more underneath guys. I'm talking about a "yards before the catch" receiver. Bowe is good at that, but he doesn't have the elite speed of a Wallace or Maclin. Reid likes to have some of those, and none of those guys are on our team right now.

JFC.

How is that you dipshits still think that McCluster is anything more than a scrub?

Orton didn't make him look any better than he is, he just had more space to run open before defenders tackled him.

He still didn't do shit when he got the ball, and he still didn't make anyone miss.

He's ****ing garbage.

And you are talking ****ing garbage.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-06-2013, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

JFC.

How is that you dipshits still think that McCluster is anything more than a scrub?

Orton didn't make him look any better than he is, he just had more space to run open before defenders tackled him.

He still didn't do shit when he got the ball, and he still didn't make anyone miss.

He's ****ing garbage.

And you are talking ****ing garbage.

Wylie has more upside than McCluster because he seems like a much more natural receiver, whereas McCluster is klutzy. And still can't hold onto the ball.

I am talking about the fact that he's a guy you want to dump the ball underneath to and then let him get YAC in space. Maybe you don't like McCluster's potential. But you can't deny that in a Cassel led offense, particularly in 2012 where defenses were playing 15 yards in, that there isn't any space in the short field for guys like McCluster and Wylie to do damage in.

milkman · 01-06-2013, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Wylie has more upside than McCluster because he seems like a much more natural receiver, whereas McCluster is klutzy. And still can't hold onto the ball.

I am talking about the fact that he's a guy you want to dump the ball underneath to and then let him get YAC in space. Maybe you don't like McCluster's potential. But you can't deny that in a Cassel led offense, particularly in 2012 where defenses were playing 15 yards in, that there isn't any space in the short field for guys like McCluster and Wylie to do damage in.

Doesn't ****ing matter you useless dumbshit.

McCluster still did shit when he had Orton and defenses respecting his ability to stretch the field.

He's ****ing garbage, you dipshit.

NIUhuskies · 01-06-2013, 12:08 PM

supposedly Reid loves McCluster and was set to draft him the pick after the Chiefs did years back. Im curious how he uses him in his offense

teedubya · 01-06-2013, 12:08 PM

Since this is a Pete thread... I want to spend this moment to complain about the refs.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-06-2013, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Doesn't ****ing matter you useless dumbshit.

McCluster still did shit when he had Orton and defenses respecting his ability to stretch the field.

He's ****ing garbage, you dipshit.

You're overreacting. I'm not saying he's going to have a 1,000 yard season. I'm merely pointing out that Wylie and McCluster are 2 receivers who we won't know what they're fully capable of until we see an offense that can truly spread the field and stretch it. Boss suggested that Wylie is a vertical receiver, and I'm saying he's more a guy you want to get the ball in space. Same with McCluster.

And saying he played like shit in his last 2 games is a bit much. McCluster showed flashes of what happens when an underneath option is available. Yeah, his yardages were inflated by a few big plays, but he's flashed plenty of times that if you give him space, he can be effective. Not nearly enough games where he was allowed that space to judge what he can do.

milkman · 01-06-2013, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're overreacting. I'm not saying he's going to have a 1,000 yard season. I'm merely pointing out that Wylie and McCluster are 2 receivers who we won't know what they're fully capable of until we see an offense that can truly spread the field and stretch it. Boss suggested that Wylie is a vertical receiver, and I'm saying he's more a guy you want to get the ball in space. Same with McCluster.

And saying he played like shit in his last 2 games is a bit much. McCluster showed flashes of what happens when an underneath option is available. Yeah, his yardages were inflated by a few big plays, but he's flashed plenty of times that if you give him space, he can be effective. Not nearly enough games where he was allowed that space to judge what he can do.

I can judge.

He's touted as palymaker that can make people miss.

In three years, regardless of circumstance, he's made 2, maybe 3 tacklers miss.

He's ****ing garbage.

Get him is space, he's going to get you as much yardage as the open space allows.

Once the first tackler appears, there will be about a 99.9% chance the first tackler makes the tackle.

Ceej · 01-06-2013, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teedubya

Since this is a Pete thread... I want to spend this moment to complain about the refs.

You forgot the expletives.

"I HATE THESE GODDAMN MOTHER****ING REFEREES!"

01-06-2013, 09:51 AM
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01-06-2013, 11:00 AM	#48
Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	I have a ton of stuff saved on Andy Reid and the Eagles - However, there was no need to save links: 2010: A look at Eagles’ head coach Andy Reid. The west coast system schemes, concepts, tendencies, etc. Philly hasn’t changed much since I was playing them twice a season with the Redskins. An offense that focuses on inside breaking routes. And, like we talked about last week, coaches don’t change their identity. Here are my game prep notes and a breakdown of the Eagles’ offense… Philadelphia at Washington Breakdowns and tendencies are complied from the opponent’s four previous games… Reid’s personnel groupings: Pro: 2 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB Ace: 2 WR, 2 TE, 1 RB Posse: 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB Tank: 1 WR, 2 TE, 2 RB Jumbo: 3 TE, 2 RB Key personnel in breakdown: WR (focus of the passing game) RB Receiver terminology X= Split End Z=Flanker Y= on the line TE U= 2nd TE in the game W=Slot receiver R= RB F= FB Game plan tip: WE aligned out of position--he is getting the ball. Screens:* 14 total screens: Posse (8x)/ Ace (3x) 1st and 10=5x 2nd and 10=5x Alerts: Most screens run in plus territory 9 screens to our left/ 6 to our right Throwback screen: Alert QB sprint action to our left Bunch into the boundary (sidelines) alert screen to No.36 RB motion to empty= missile (bubble) screen Gadgets Alert to WR aligned out of position (WR was the “X’” receiver) Double reverse out of Pro personnel to WR Flea-flicker out of Ace personnel: WR aligned inside of the numbers All reverses are run to our right Eagles 1st and 2nd down 65% percent pass to run ratio Top run concepts: Broken down into two-back and one-back runs. The same runs with LeSean McCoy. Two-back runs* 1. Lead Weak 2. Stretch Strong One-back runs 1. Stretch Strong 2. Stretch Weak 3. Draw Top pass concepts Vs. the west coast system, the majority of the routes want to be completed between the hash marks and the numbers 1. Hi-Lo (square in- shallow crosser) 2. Hi-Lo opposite (shallow crossers from opposite sides) 3. Hi-Lo Triple In (square in-shallow crosser-angle) 4. Middle Read (9-dig-9 combo) 5. All slants 6. Tare (option-flat combo) 7. Yankee (Deep crosser by “Z”/ Deep 7 by “X”) 8. Outs 9. Hitches 10. Flood 11. Options Formation Alerts:* Broken down by formation/ alignments over personnel Doubles/ Walk (2 x 2 with TE removed from core of formation) TE to our right=Run alert TE to our left=Pass alert Any motion to create Doubles/ Walk= Pass alert No.2 over split (wide split)= Run alert RB aligned in slot= Option route WR aligned as “Z” receiver with reduced split (tight split)=“Yankee” alert (deep crossing route—same route from DeSean Jackson) Doubles/ Near-Far back (2x2 with RB aligned offset near or far) RB offset to No.81=Hi-Lo route concept (square in-shallow crosser combo) RB “chowed” (aligned on outside leg of OT) to our right=Sprint Pass alert QB under center=9 to 1 Pass Orange (2x2 spread look) No.1 WRs aligned on bottom of numbers=Out Routes No.1 WRs aligned on top of numbers= Verticals Pro Sets RB aligned at depth of 6-yards or less=3-step passing game Z with “nasty” split (very tight split)= Flood/ X-Slant to WR RB “chowed” to TE= No. 36 on Angle route I formation=Deep ball WR aligned at Z with pre-snap motion= “Spot Route” (7-crul-flat combo) Unit/ Unit Slot (2 TEs in the game aligned in core of formation) 9 passes/ 7 runs Two TEs in wing alignment=Pass alert Unit Slot (wing with WR slot to the field)= deep ball: Dino (Double Post)/ OVS (Outside Vertical Stretch…9-7-flat combo) Any WR motion=Pass alert Both WRs aligned in “nasty” splits=OVS Formation into the boundary= Dino alert Trips RB offset=Pass alert Motion=Pass alert WR aligned as No.3 strong=Tare (option-flat combo) WR aligned at X= 9 or slant Eagles Third Down Jackson is a top target in the 3rd down concepts for the Eagles. Pass Protections Always know what protection schemes you are going to face in your blitz packages 3rd and 2-6: 6-man protection (10x) 3rd and 7-10” 7-man protections(11x)/ 6-man protections(9x) 3rd and 11-plus: 7-man protection (7x)/ 6-man protection (7 x) Empty tips (no backs in backfield) QB under center= 3-step passing tree QB in gun= Hi-Lo concepts Alerts: Doubles Y Off= Double moves Alert Missile Screen Top Runs: 1. RB Draw 2. QB Draw 3. Stretch Strong/ Weak Top Pass Concepts: Break down the route tree by down and distance 3rd and 2-6 1. Hi-Lo Triple In 2. W Post 3. Outs 4. R Option 5. Flat-Slants 6. Tare (empty) 7. All Slants 3rd and 7-10 1. Middle Read (big play for Jeremy Maclin today) 2. NCAA (Z- Dig/ Y- shallow crosser/ X-Post) 3. Sprint (Smash-7 combo) 3rd and 11+ 1. Sticks (All Curls) 2. Dagger (Seam-Dig combo) 3. Double Dig 4. 999 (4 Verticals) 5. Sucker (Curl-Dig combo) 6. Pin (Dig-Post combo) Eagles 2-minute offense Alert screen/draw to start series Alerts:* 97% Posse/ Pony (2 RBs in the backfield) 3 screens 6-man protection (13x) 7-man protection (6x) Top 2-minute concepts: 1. Middle Read 2. Tare 3. Curl-Flat 4. 4 Verticals 5. Whip Options 6. Zone Pass (short curls) 7. Sprint: 7-Flat combo Eagles Red Zone Concepts are broken down into High Red Zone (25-16 yard line) and Red Zone (15 to goal line) Alerts: Will run the ball to set up passing concepts Alert screen and check down to RB WR motions inside of the numbers= point of attack WR motions outside of the numbers=waste motion Empty with WR aligned inside of numbers=middle of the field ISO route High Red Zone Concepts: 1. PIN 2. Middle Read 3. X ISO 4. Scissors (8-7 combo) 5. MOF ISO 6. Outs Red Zone Concepts: 1. Spot 2. Flood 3. Hi-Lo 4. Hi-lo Triple in Flood (square in-shallow crosser-angle-R swing) 5. Sprint Option Critical Plays Backed up. 3rd and short. Four-minute situation. 4th down play. What do the Eagles run when they are protecting a lead or need to move the sticks? 8 total plays we scouted: 6 passes/ 2 runs 2 runs* 1. RB Flip 2. 20 Trap 6 passes (all to our left) 1. Spot (2x) 2. Wheel route (RB) 3. Tare 4. Outs 5. Sprint option 2-point play: WR aligns in backfield/ run sprint option Our lead call in a critical play situation? Cover 2 out of a 4-3 Over front Eagles goal line Top personnel: Jumbo/ Tank Top runs: ( 4 of 6 runs to our right) 1. Stretch 2. Lead Weak 3. Lead Strong 4. Power Bob O (back on backer) Top Passes: 1. Boot 2. Sprint Option 3. Pop Pass (Y quick release) 4. 7-Falt “Gotta Have it” play Every offense has a play/ concept they will run with the game on the line. Vs. Philly we broke down two of them. Eagles "Gotta Have it" Plays 1. Hi-Lo crossers 2. Dagger Game prep for Andy Reid’s Eagles. Looking at the concepts, we will see the same routes, runs and red zone passing tree. The west coast offense has added some new concepts over time, but when you break it down by down and distance, formations and situational football—it really hasn’t changed. __________________
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