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Old 03-10-2023, 07:46 PM  
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Old 03-30-2023, 02:56 PM   #511
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How come everyone keeps saying “just send a 2nd rounder” for D-Hop?

Do we not understand he comes with a contract too?
Contracts can be modified. Veach is a wizard at that. If we had Jerry Jones, Gettleman or some other known dipstick as GM, we could rightly worry. Not worried with Veach at the helm.
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Old 03-30-2023, 02:57 PM   #512
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How come everyone keeps saying “just send a 2nd rounder” for D-Hop?

Do we not understand he comes with a contract too?

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Old 03-30-2023, 02:57 PM   #513
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Draft your receivers, guys. Stop trading for expensive contracts.

You won't hit on every one, but when you do, you're set. AND you've got the guy on a cheap ass contract.

If Skyy is still dildos and Toney is still constantly getting hurt, then go trade for one midseason. Or during training camp. Or whatever.
In a vacuum that is fine....but our WR position has quickly turned into being below average and it's a bland WR year in the draft.
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Old 03-30-2023, 03:02 PM   #514
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How come everyone keeps saying “just send a 2nd rounder” for D-Hop?

Do we not understand he comes with a contract too?
People appear to be willing to hand wave the **** out of that reality. "Eh, we'll make it work."
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In a vacuum that is fine....but our WR position has quickly turned into being below average and it's a bland WR year in the draft.
Yep.

This WR group needs addressed with a multi-faceted approach, just like last year.
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Yep.

This WR group needs addressed with a multi-faceted approach, just like last year.
It's simple all teams have holes because no one is perfect, our WR position does because of things like drafting CEH.
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People appear to be willing to hand wave the **** out of that reality. "Eh, we'll make it work."
About as much as the people waving off the reality that the WR room is almost paper thin if either Toney goes down with an injury/Skyy doesn't immediately fill JuJu's role. "Just draft and develop an instantly productive WR" even though we have no history of that.
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About as much as the people waving off the reality that the WR room is almost paper thin if either Toney goes down with an injury/Skyy doesn't immediately fill JuJu's role. "Just draft and develop an instantly productive WR" even though we have no history of that.
I think - you could make an argument that we haven't *historically* drafted and developed stud CB's either....but we did it.
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I think - you could make an argument that we haven't *historically* drafted and developed stud CB's either....but we did it.
It's more that the Chiefs haven't put much into the position, it's all late round draft picks other than Moore and Hardman.
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Lol, well apparently Baker is better than Watson.

Watson's first year record: 3-4

Mayfield's: 7-7

Watson's playoff career playoff record: 1-2

Baker's: 1-1

And Watson had the advantage of better offensive weapons his entire career, including having DHop and Cooks for a couple years.
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I think - you could make an argument that we haven't *historically* drafted and developed stud CB's either....but we did it.
Hmm. I thought we did okay at CB. I mean, it's hard to draft top-notch guys when you draft in the last quarter of the round every year for ten years straight, but overall I wouldn't say KC has done poorly at CB in Andy's tenure.


And i understand we haven't really drafted with a focus on WR, ever. it's been kind of an afterthought most years, imo.

But it's also not a new thing for Andy either. He didn't draft and develop many quality WRs in PHI. A couple decent ones. And it's not like this is a great class for WRs in 2023. It's not terrible by any means, but it's not great, either.
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People appear to be willing to hand wave the **** out of that reality. "Eh, we'll make it work."
So many posts stating just give them this pick or that pick lol.

There’s more than throwing picks around lol.
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Hmm. I thought we did okay at CB. I mean, it's hard to draft top-notch guys when you draft in the last quarter of the round every year for ten years straight, but overall I wouldn't say KC has done poorly at CB in Andy's tenure.


And i understand we haven't really drafted with a focus on WR, ever. it's been kind of an afterthought most years, imo.

But it's also not a new thing for Andy either. He didn't draft and develop many quality WRs in PHI. A couple decent ones. And it's not like this is a great class for WRs in 2023. It's not terrible by any means, but it's not great, either.
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Hmm. I thought we did okay at CB. I mean, it's hard to draft top-notch guys when you draft in the last quarter of the round every year for ten years straight, but overall I wouldn't say KC has done poorly at CB in Andy's tenure.


And i understand we haven't really drafted with a focus on WR, ever. it's been kind of an afterthought most years, imo.

But it's also not a new thing for Andy either. He didn't draft and develop many quality WRs in PHI. A couple decent ones. And it's not like this is a great class for WRs in 2023. It's not terrible by any means, but it's not great, either.
All I was saying is our draft track record for CB's was comparable to our track record of drafting WR's. Veach knows what he is doing and has a knack for sniffing out talent - just for S&G

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Richard Smith (Arkansas 2004)
Chris Horn (Rocky Mountain 2004)
Bobby Sippio (Western Kentucky 2007)
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Jeremy Horne (Massachussets 2010)
Josh Bellamy (Louisville 2012)
Albert Wilson (Georgia State 2014)
Marcus Kemp (Hawaii 2017)
Gehrig Dieter (Alabama 2018)
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Felix Wright (Drake 1993)
Monty Grow (Florida 1994)
Clyde Johnson (Kansas State 1997)
Jason Kaiser (Culver- Stockton 1998)
Clint Finley (Nebraska 2002)
Benny Sapp (Northern Iowa 2004)
Scott Cannot (South Dakota 2004)
Michael Bragg (Texas A&M 2006)
Tyron Brackenridge (Washington State 2007)
Maurice Leggett (Valdosta State 2008)
Rickey Price (Oklahoma State 2009)
Nieko Thorpe (Auburn 2012)
Tysyn Hartman (Kansas State 2012)
Bradley McDougald (Kansas 2013)
Daniel Sorenson (BYU 2014)
Charvarius Ward (Middle Tennessee State 2018)
Alex Brown (South Carolina State 2019)
DiCaprio Bootle (Nebraska 2021)


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Marcus Cooper (Rutgers 2013 - Drafted by SF 7th round)
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