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Old 07-12-2019, 06:57 AM  
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They're doubling down and hiding behind an 'editorial board' byline so nobody has to put their name on this shit.

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Now that the full 11-minute recording of Chiefs wide receiver Tyreek Hill and his now former fiancee, Crystal Espinal, talking about violence in their relationship has been aired, many fans are saying wow, this changes everything.

It does? That Hill, who didn’t know Espinal was taping him, denies ever hitting her or their son in what he thought was a private conversation is neither surprising nor exculpatory.

Abusers typically tell not only the police but friends, family, therapists, priests and even themselves they’ve never done anything wrong.

And if anything, the fact that Hill now says he didn’t hit punch or choke Espinal in 2014 makes him look worse rather than better. He pleaded guilty to those charges, publicly apologized, went through extensive therapy and declared himself reformed after probation. If he’s now back to saying that none of this ever happened, that’s not just a lie but a worrying one.

“I didn’t touch you in 2014,” he says on the tape. “And put that on everything I love, bro. That’s the real truth.”

That Espinal isn’t screaming at him that no, it’s not the truth, real or otherwise, is taken by some supporters as proof that he is innocent.

But why a woman who has been injured by him before and he’s threatening to hurt again might not do that should be obvious.


When she instead repeatedly asks him where her bruises came from if he never hit her, he doesn’t answer because there isn’t an answer that he likes well enough to repeat.

On Thursday, Espinal filed a petition in Johnson County seeking a paternity test for their newborn twins. She has full custody of them — they live with her — and she is asking for child support and only supervised visits for Hill. Her lawyer in the matter is legal counsel for SAFEHOME, a Johnson County group that supports survivors of domestic violence.

The NFL, meanwhile, seems ready to let Hill off with a brief suspension because the legal case against him isn’t going anywhere, but these things are still true:

Hill’s son was removed from his home after a child abuse investigation was launched. The Johnson County district attorney said the 3-year-old child had been hurt, but he didn’t have enough proof to prosecute.

On the tape, we heard Hill threaten the mother of his children with physical violence: “You need to be scared of me, too, dumb bitch.” He berates and belittles, calls her “bro” and “bitch” and of course, claims she ruined his life.

Denial of all wrongdoing is so standard in abuse cases that just a look at Thursday’s Star provides other examples, including that of Scott Hacker, the now former Parkville police officer charged with domestic violence after allegedly shooting his gun inside his home, throwing the woman who called 911 onto the couch, grabbing her by the throat and blaming her for “ending his career” by calling for help. Both before and after the cops arrived, he said he hadn’t shot the gun or touched her. But oops: A security camera in the living room apparently recorded the assault.

What Espinal was trying to get was the audio equivalent of that video.

If the NFL lets Hill back on the field this season, it will send the message that making threats and showing you’ve learned nothing from probation is no real problem, as long as you can run fast enough. The help he needs is not more denial, but just the opposite.

To the rest of you who are intent on seeing Hill as the victim, KCTV as a villain for not immediately releasing the full tape, and Espinal as a “manipulator” for wanting evidence to back her up in court, we could suggest some reading on the well-researched subject of abuse. But why, when you seem to prefer not to know?
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Old 02-13-2020, 02:27 PM   #496
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Regardless of what you think about their Tyreek Hill coverage - local papers are about the only thing that bring attention to local problems and local corruption and hold politicians accountable. It's very bad for the community when they fold up.

The shell companies who own them and drive them into the ground don't mind this outcome at all.
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Regardless of what you think about their Tyreek Hill coverage - local papers are about the only thing that bring attention to local problems and local corruption and hold politicians accountable. It's very bad for the community when they fold up.

The shell companies who own them and drive them into the ground don't mind this outcome at all.
Our local paper has been 95% AP stories for the past 25 years. What local stories there are drop 2 days after because a couple of years ago they shut down most of the local office and moved typesetting/printing 2,5 hours away Little Rock.n
Thankfully we have a couple of online only publications that are filling the void.
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Regardless of what you think about their Tyreek Hill coverage - local papers are about the only thing that bring attention to local problems and local corruption and hold politicians accountable. It's very bad for the community when they fold up.

The shell companies who own them and drive them into the ground don't mind this outcome at all.
Our local papers refuse to cover any political corruption if it furthers the Dem narrative. Indep. City hall including the corrupt mayor has only been covered by a local news channel. The papers have been deathly silent even when the FBI was questioning the Mayor and Councilmen. Our City hall does whatever they want on taxpayer's dime and have no fear of the Examiner posting a word about it.
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I get the hate for the Star, but it'd be pretty sad if Kansas City lost its only daily newspaper.
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I get the hate for the Star, but it'd be pretty sad if Kansas City lost its only daily newspaper.

Wrong. Newspapers are 90% fake news
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Wrong. Newspapers are 90% fake news
What data are you using to get the 90% figure? Honest question. A link should suffice.
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Our local papers refuse to cover any political corruption if it furthers the Dem narrative. Indep. City hall including the corrupt mayor has only been covered by a local news channel. The papers have been deathly silent even when the FBI was questioning the Mayor and Councilmen. Our City hall does whatever they want on taxpayer's dime and have no fear of the Examiner posting a word about it.
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https://www.examiner.net/news/201911...ouncil-members

https://www.examiner.net/news/201912...pendence-mayor

Looks like both papers covered it.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/e...237850664.html

https://www.kansascity.com/news/poli...237681249.html


Losing newspapers in this day and age isn't going to change anything. The ability to disseminate information through other more cost effective measures is there.

As for your particular claim:

From what I read it seems the FBI as of 02/19 wasn't interested in talking to the mayor? But did question CC members.

So yea, they covered it.
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Na, that's absolute bullshit. Pick up an actual, physical paper sometime. 90% of it is unexciting, but that's the problem. No TV station or national news station is going to report on most of it.
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