Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-12-2014, 04:26 PM  
ROYC75 ROYC75 is offline
Time For Your Wake Up Call !!!
 
ROYC75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Barn Yard
Casino cash: $5189400
Broncos news megathread

Discussion: All things Broncos.

Last edited by ROYC75; 01-11-2017 at 02:02 PM.. Reason: Change Title, Please?
Posts: 37,035
ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.ROYC75 has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.
Thumbs Up 0 Thumbs Down 1     Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 02:02 AM   #48556
BlackOp BlackOp is offline
MVP
 
BlackOp's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2012
Casino cash: $5845267
In some ways...the media created unrealistic expectations for Donks fans.

I have yet to see any statistics that indicated that Denver was only a functional QB away from being a serious contender. You have professional media manipulators like Cowherd saying the Doinks were going to win the AFC...not just the AFCW.

Imagine the shock when reality doesnt match the fantasy...all off-season they were fed a constant stream of false hope. Like giving the fat kid a participation trophy...

They completely ignored any red flags and glorified what they could... never mentioning they played a last place schedule...which skews numbers.

They looked pretty much how I expected them to look...should be just a touch better than the bottom feeders. They are the 2021 Seahawks just rebranded as a horse...only in a division with 2 of the best 4 QBs in the NFL.

Hackett is going to be hung out to dry...he is their FO scapegoat. All anger/disappointment will be focused on him. Nobody is going to mention Jeudy dropping a wide open pass at a critical point...or they fact they were even in a 3rd and 14 with the game on the line...or the fact that Wilson only targeted their "all world WRs" two times the entire first half....or that Geno was like 16 for 17 at one point.

It's just Hackett sucks but the team...the team is special. Same narative with Fangio....I'm sure he got a chuckle out of last night.

The real question is how long the "new car smell' lasts with Wilson...it took all of one game for the fans to turn on Hackett. Once they realize Mr. Unlimited isn't their savior and his price tag continuously guts their team's resources...while sleeping in a $25 million house.

I'm looking into my crystal ball...and seeing Donk fans slowly transitioning into the sea of boos that Wilson got from his previous fans.

Last edited by BlackOp; 09-14-2022 at 02:31 AM..
Posts: 17,754
BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 03:43 AM   #48557
ChiefsFanatic ChiefsFanatic is offline
DeadPunisher
 
ChiefsFanatic's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Blue Springs, MO. 64014
Casino cash: $2759205
So, I am probably going to get buried for this, but I don't think the decision to kick a FG was that bad.

More than likely, Hackett's Special Teams Coordinator told him that McManus was hitting from 64, or even 65-67 in warm-ups.

A good HC listens to his coordinators. Earlier in the game Hackett engineered offensive drives that should have been TDs, but instead his players shit themselves and had 2 fumbles on the goal line.

His players let him down in a big way. Maybe he thought that on a night when his players fumbled twice at the goal line, he would trust his STC instead.

If McManus hits the FG, the press conference would be about how Hackett's faith in his STC led to the win. He would be praised for believing in his kicker, and McManus' teammates would be praising him for being clutch.

But, what we didn't hear in any of the press conferences was Brandon McManus throwing his teammates under the bus for fumbling. This could become a bonding moment for that team, because the loss isn't just on Hackett's decision to kick, and because no one is throwing anymore under the bus, even if they deserve to be speed bumps, and that can build chemistry.

I honestly think that Hackett is going to be much better than Fangio or Joseph. Two fumbles at the goal line is some unlucky shit not seen since Marty Schottenheimer lost on The Drive and The Fumble in back to back playoffs.

Hell, maybe this was Karma getting Denver back for both of those wins against Marty.

Maybe Hackett is trash, but I don't think one game is proof.

Sent from my moto g stylus 5G using Tapatalk
Posts: 7,520
ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 04:27 AM   #48558
BlackOp BlackOp is offline
MVP
 
BlackOp's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2012
Casino cash: $5845267
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic View Post
So, I am probably going to get buried for this, but I don't think the decision to kick a FG was that bad.

More than likely, Hackett's Special Teams Coordinator told him that McManus was hitting from 64, or even 65-67 in warm-ups.

A good HC listens to his coordinators. Earlier in the game Hackett engineered offensive drives that should have been TDs, but instead his players shit themselves and had 2 fumbles on the goal line.

His players let him down in a big way. Maybe he thought that on a night when his players fumbled twice at the goal line, he would trust his STC instead.

If McManus hits the FG, the press conference would be about how Hackett's faith in his STC led to the win. He would be praised for believing in his kicker, and McManus' teammates would be praising him for being clutch.

But, what we didn't hear in any of the press conferences was Brandon McManus throwing his teammates under the bus for fumbling. This could become a bonding moment for that team, because the loss isn't just on Hackett's decision to kick, and because no one is throwing anymore under the bus, even if they deserve to be speed bumps, and that can build chemistry.

I honestly think that Hackett is going to be much better than Fangio or Joseph. Two fumbles at the goal line is some unlucky shit not seen since Marty Schottenheimer lost on The Drive and The Fumble in back to back playoffs.

Hell, maybe this was Karma getting Denver back for both of those wins against Marty.

Maybe Hackett is trash, but I don't think one game is proof.

Sent from my moto g stylus 5G using Tapatalk
Posts: 17,754
BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.BlackOp is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 04:31 AM   #48559
Red Dawg Red Dawg is offline
Going home eventually
 
Red Dawg's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2002
Casino cash: $4462858
Its week one. There are only a few teams that have no chance and being in the SB. Jets, Houston, Lions, Bears, Seattle. Many super long shots not listed but these teams will not for sure.
__________________
If you're not first you're last!
Posts: 30,479
Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.Red Dawg is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 04:55 AM   #48560
TEX TEX is offline
Out Gunning CP's Fandom Police
 
TEX's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Laguna Beach, CA
Casino cash: $1863127
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic View Post
So, I am probably going to get buried for this, but I don't think the decision to kick a FG was that bad.

More than likely, Hackett's Special Teams Coordinator told him that McManus was hitting from 64, or even 65-67 in warm-ups.

A good HC listens to his coordinators. Earlier in the game Hackett engineered offensive drives that should have been TDs, but instead his players shit themselves and had 2 fumbles on the goal line.

His players let him down in a big way. Maybe he thought that on a night when his players fumbled twice at the goal line, he would trust his STC instead.

If McManus hits the FG, the press conference would be about how Hackett's faith in his STC led to the win. He would be praised for believing in his kicker, and McManus' teammates would be praising him for being clutch.

But, what we didn't hear in any of the press conferences was Brandon McManus throwing his teammates under the bus for fumbling. This could become a bonding moment for that team, because the loss isn't just on Hackett's decision to kick, and because no one is throwing anymore under the bus, even if they deserve to be speed bumps, and that can build chemistry.

I honestly think that Hackett is going to be much better than Fangio or Joseph. Two fumbles at the goal line is some unlucky shit not seen since Marty Schottenheimer lost on The Drive and The Fumble in back to back playoffs.

Hell, maybe this was Karma getting Denver back for both of those wins against Marty.

Maybe Hackett is trash, but I don't think one game is proof.

Sent from my moto g stylus 5G using Tapatalk
Don't be "That guy." It was a bad decision. But I loved it!
__________________
"The CHIEFS, HAVE THEIR DYNASTY!"
Posts: 34,791
TEX has disabled reputation
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 06:09 AM   #48561
CasselGotPeedOn CasselGotPeedOn is offline
Your mom
 
CasselGotPeedOn's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2016
Casino cash: $1280402
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic View Post
So, I am probably going to get buried for this, but I don't think the decision to kick a FG was that bad.

More than likely, Hackett's Special Teams Coordinator told him that McManus was hitting from 64, or even 65-67 in warm-ups.

A good HC listens to his coordinators. Earlier in the game Hackett engineered offensive drives that should have been TDs, but instead his players shit themselves and had 2 fumbles on the goal line.

His players let him down in a big way. Maybe he thought that on a night when his players fumbled twice at the goal line, he would trust his STC instead.

If McManus hits the FG, the press conference would be about how Hackett's faith in his STC led to the win. He would be praised for believing in his kicker, and McManus' teammates would be praising him for being clutch.

But, what we didn't hear in any of the press conferences was Brandon McManus throwing his teammates under the bus for fumbling. This could become a bonding moment for that team, because the loss isn't just on Hackett's decision to kick, and because no one is throwing anymore under the bus, even if they deserve to be speed bumps, and that can build chemistry.

I honestly think that Hackett is going to be much better than Fangio or Joseph. Two fumbles at the goal line is some unlucky shit not seen since Marty Schottenheimer lost on The Drive and The Fumble in back to back playoffs.

Hell, maybe this was Karma getting Denver back for both of those wins against Marty.

Maybe Hackett is trash, but I don't think one game is proof.

Sent from my moto g stylus 5G using Tapatalk
Posts: 9,133
CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.CasselGotPeedOn is too fat/Omaha.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 06:16 AM   #48562
RealSNR RealSNR is offline
Special Teams ACE!!!
 
RealSNR's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Where the hell is SNR
Casino cash: $1850208
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic View Post
So, I am probably going to get buried for this, but I don't think the decision to kick a FG was that bad.

More than likely, Hackett's Special Teams Coordinator told him that McManus was hitting from 64, or even 65-67 in warm-ups.

A good HC listens to his coordinators. Earlier in the game Hackett engineered offensive drives that should have been TDs, but instead his players shit themselves and had 2 fumbles on the goal line.

His players let him down in a big way. Maybe he thought that on a night when his players fumbled twice at the goal line, he would trust his STC instead.

If McManus hits the FG, the press conference would be about how Hackett's faith in his STC led to the win. He would be praised for believing in his kicker, and McManus' teammates would be praising him for being clutch.

But, what we didn't hear in any of the press conferences was Brandon McManus throwing his teammates under the bus for fumbling. This could become a bonding moment for that team, because the loss isn't just on Hackett's decision to kick, and because no one is throwing anymore under the bus, even if they deserve to be speed bumps, and that can build chemistry.

I honestly think that Hackett is going to be much better than Fangio or Joseph. Two fumbles at the goal line is some unlucky shit not seen since Marty Schottenheimer lost on The Drive and The Fumble in back to back playoffs.

Hell, maybe this was Karma getting Denver back for both of those wins against Marty.

Maybe Hackett is trash, but I don't think one game is proof.

Sent from my moto g stylus 5G using Tapatalk
All of that poor execution for a Week 1 game isn't an indictment on the head coach and the job he's doing?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaper16 View Post
I would read an entire blog of SNR breaking down athletes' musical capabilities like draft scouting reports.
Posts: 90,837
RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 06:21 AM   #48563
RaidersOftheCellar RaidersOftheCellar is offline
MVP
 
RaidersOftheCellar's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Lawrence, KS
Casino cash: $2630400
It was an awful decision. Even Hackett’s admitting it now. They weren’t up against the 85 Bears defense. They were playing a terrible Seattle defense that was giving up 5+ yard chunks all day. I would have been surprised if they didn’t convert on 4th and 5.
Posts: 14,840
RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 06:47 AM   #48564
Quesadilla Joe Quesadilla Joe is offline
Abolish The Salary Cap!
 
Quesadilla Joe's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2008
Casino cash: $3848675
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC View Post
How did Paton’s draft class do last night Knowmo?
It’s not very easy for a rookie to start on a loaded roster.
Posts: 19,807
Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.Quesadilla Joe has just been standing around suckin' on a big ol' chili dog.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 06:50 AM   #48565
smithandrew051 smithandrew051 is offline
I Like The Kansas City Chiefs
 
smithandrew051's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Shawnee, KS
Casino cash: $2724400
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe View Post
It’s not very easy for a rookie to start on a loaded roster.
Which makes Seattle’s class even more impressive, since they are clearly better than Denver.
__________________
My 2023 Adopt a Chief: Keondre Coburn

Holy Hat!
Posts: 26,268
smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.smithandrew051 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 06:50 AM   #48566
FlaChief58 FlaChief58 is offline
SuperChiefs
 
FlaChief58's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Florida
Casino cash: $1749822
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe View Post
It’s not very easy for a jag to start on a roster loaded with jags.
Fyp
Posts: 19,069
FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 06:52 AM   #48567
RaidersOftheCellar RaidersOftheCellar is offline
MVP
 
RaidersOftheCellar's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Lawrence, KS
Casino cash: $2630400
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe View Post
It’s not very easy for a rookie to start on a loaded roster.
Best part is, he probably actually believes this.
Posts: 14,840
RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.RaidersOftheCellar is blessed with 50/50 Hindsight.
    Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 06:56 AM   #48568
FlaChief58 FlaChief58 is offline
SuperChiefs
 
FlaChief58's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Florida
Casino cash: $1749822
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe View Post
It’s not very easy for a rookie to start on a loaded roster.
Your loaded roster just lost to a team that started a career backup qb and who will be picking in the top 5 next year. LOADED!

****ing clown
Posts: 19,069
FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 06:57 AM   #48569
ChiefsFanatic ChiefsFanatic is offline
DeadPunisher
 
ChiefsFanatic's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Blue Springs, MO. 64014
Casino cash: $2759205
Quote:
Originally Posted by RealSNR View Post
All of that poor execution for a Week 1 game isn't an indictment on the head coach and the job he's doing?
Should every team be prepared for week 1? Yes, absolutely. But losing the first and only game of his head coaching career does not automatically make Hackett the same as Fangio or Joseph.

Sent from my moto g stylus 5G using Tapatalk
Posts: 7,520
ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.ChiefsFanatic wants to die in a aids tree fire.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2022, 07:00 AM   #48570
FlaChief58 FlaChief58 is offline
SuperChiefs
 
FlaChief58's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Florida
Casino cash: $1749822
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic View Post
Should every team be prepared for week 1? Yes, absolutely. But losing the first and only game of his head coaching career does not automatically make Hackett the same as Fangio or Joseph.

Sent from my moto g stylus 5G using Tapatalk
It’s not that he lost, it's how he lost. He made some of the most stupid decisions I've seen an NFL head coach ever make.

If that was any indication of what's to come, it's going to be a looong year for the donktards
Posts: 19,069
FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.FlaChief58 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:36 PM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.