Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Reload this Page Chiefs Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
Page 305 of 319 « First 205255295301302303304 305 306307308309315 Last »
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-08-2021, 10:03 AM  
Dante84 Dante84 is offline
Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs
 
Dante84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: ATX & OPKS
Casino cash: $1451996
VARSITY
Veach's '21 Offseason Plan to Keep Us Thriving: Let's speculate
In order to prevent us wasting precious years of Patrick Mahomes' career, Veach needs to work some magic this offseason. What's your advice for him?
Posts: 19,756
Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:27 AM   #4561
htismaqe htismaqe is offline
'Tis my eye!
 
htismaqe's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chiefsplanet
Casino cash: $10269900
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief View Post
It all depends on who’s available in that 12-20 range.

This is a strong OT draft but we need to dig in a little deeper to see how many do the following...

ability needed to pass protect on an island against the games best
athletic ability to move in space on screens, misdirection and perimeter runs
The strength at the POA to drive runs to his side and handle bull rushes

Just because there are a lot of OTs, doesn’t mean there are a lot of OTs we feel fit what we want from the position.
Absolutely.

And that INCLUDES guys that will go before 31 and we might need to trade up for, e.g. Jenkins.

Your logic applies to every tackle in the draft, especially the ones the Chiefs might be eyeing. Trading up doesn't guarantee anything at all.
Posts: 100,022
htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:28 AM   #4562
staylor26 staylor26 is online now
In Search of a Life
 
staylor26's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Casino cash: $1449040
Quote:
Originally Posted by OKchiefs View Post
Or I actually have a job, and while I am working from home and do have a bit more time to spend on here I can't spend 10 hours a day on Chiefsplanet like you seem to do.
Yea I spend 10 hours a day on CP!



I’m running the CP Mock Draft, hence why I’ve been on all week.

Nice try! You had the time to post this, but no rebuttal though, right?
Posts: 49,224
staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:28 AM   #4563
htismaqe htismaqe is offline
'Tis my eye!
 
htismaqe's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chiefsplanet
Casino cash: $10269900
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city View Post
If they did that, they won't be looking for a LT for a few years, whatever happens. THey won't declare the guy a bust after 1 year.
Then they'll have one less pick for a WR, DE, or any other need that arises and they can't fill in free agency.

They may be at the end of the 1st round but they are still cost controlled for five, not four, years.

Those things are much more valuable than you're making them out to be. They simply are.
Posts: 100,022
htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:31 AM   #4564
htismaqe htismaqe is offline
'Tis my eye!
 
htismaqe's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chiefsplanet
Casino cash: $10269900
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle View Post
Yeah, sorry, but two late first rounders isn't that much of a price to me if Reid and Veach identify what they believe to be a LTOTF and go up to get him.
The difference between picking up a 5th year option vs. a player in free agency, especially when you're talking about 2 first rounders, could be the difference between having enough money for a guy like Trent Williams or Cam Erving.

It's simply not as insignificant as you guys want it to be.
Posts: 100,022
htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.
 Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:35 AM   #4565
Sassy Squatch Sassy Squatch is online now
The man you could post like.
 
Sassy Squatch's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2010
Casino cash: $2119655
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe View Post
The difference between picking up a 5th year option vs. a player in free agency, especially when you're talking about 2 first rounders, could be the difference between having enough money for a guy like Trent Williams or Cam Erving.

It's simply not as insignificant as you guys want it to be.
5th year options aren't nearly as valuable as they used to be now that they're performance based instead of draft slot based.
Posts: 38,094
Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:38 AM   #4566
htismaqe htismaqe is offline
'Tis my eye!
 
htismaqe's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chiefsplanet
Casino cash: $10269900
Quote:
Originally Posted by Superturtle View Post
5th year options aren't nearly as valuable as they used to be now that they're performance based instead of draft slot based.
They're still far more cost effective than free agency, when it comes to good players.
Posts: 100,022
htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:40 AM   #4567
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $2464064
They definitely need to hit on draft picks going forward, can't keep having to go into free agency for players.

But it just shows why it's so hard to stay good for so long. Things are against you getting great players.
Posts: 81,454
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:41 AM   #4568
Sassy Squatch Sassy Squatch is online now
The man you could post like.
 
Sassy Squatch's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2010
Casino cash: $2119655
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe View Post
They're still far more cost effective than free agency, when it comes to good players.
Not really. Just one Pro Bowl and you're paying transition tag price.
Posts: 38,094
Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:43 AM   #4569
BossChief BossChief is offline
SuperBowl or bust
 
BossChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: BF Iowa
Casino cash: $1554088
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe View Post
Absolutely.

And that INCLUDES guys that will go before 31 and we might need to trade up for, e.g. Jenkins.

Your logic applies to every tackle in the draft, especially the ones the Chiefs might be eyeing. Trading up doesn't guarantee anything at all.
Can we avoid using the term “guarantee”?

To me, it’s silly to try to boil stuff like this down to a “guarantee”...to be honest, the majority of the OTs in this market are better than Fisher was.

That includes OBJ2.
__________________
Dreams do come true...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
Posts: 47,175
BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:45 AM   #4570
htismaqe htismaqe is offline
'Tis my eye!
 
htismaqe's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chiefsplanet
Casino cash: $10269900
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief View Post
Can we avoid using the term “guarantee”?

To me, it’s silly to try to boil stuff like this down to a “guarantee”...to be honest, the majority of the OTs in this market are better than Fisher was.

That includes OBJ2.
That's fine with me. I didn't create that straw man. I don't believe guarantees exist in the NFL, especially not in the draft, just chances.

It's all about opportunity cost.
Posts: 100,022
htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:46 AM   #4571
OKchiefs OKchiefs is offline
Black Bob's daddy
 
OKchiefs's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: under the sun
Casino cash: $1680400
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 View Post
Yea I spend 10 hours a day on CP!



I’m running the CP Mock Draft, hence why I’ve been on all week.

Nice try! You had the time to post this, but no rebuttal though, right?
What's the point? You'll nitpick every single statement I make instead of engaging in a conversation.

For the record, I haven't been one of the ones on here bitching about not signing anybody. I'm not happy about the off-season but complaining about it non-stop wasn't going to help anything. That also led to the point I was making, that I don't think it's the end of the world if we don't fill every need because I'm not sure this is the year to go all in.

But I truly apologize that you and I don't see eye to eye on every single detail. I'll refrain from offering opinions that are anything less than a rosy outlook on the upcoming season.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy View Post
Good article. Just as I suspected everything is Smitty's fault. Hope he burns in hell for all of eternity.
Posts: 5,189
OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.OKchiefs is not part of the Right 53.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 11:51 AM   #4572
staylor26 staylor26 is online now
In Search of a Life
 
staylor26's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Casino cash: $1449040
Quote:
Originally Posted by OKchiefs View Post
What's the point? You'll nitpick every single statement I make instead of engaging in a conversation.

For the record, I haven't been one of the ones on here bitching about not signing anybody. I'm not happy about the off-season but complaining about it non-stop wasn't going to help anything. That also led to the point I was making, that I don't think it's the end of the world if we don't fill every need because I'm not sure this is the year to go all in.

But I truly apologize that you and I don't see eye to eye on every single detail. I'll refrain from offering opinions that are anything less than a rosy outlook on the upcoming season.
You weeks ago:

The Chiefs shouldn’t trade a pick for a proven LT. That’s a sign of bad drafting.

You today:

There’s no way the Chiefs can beat the almighty Rams roster if they’re lucky enough to make the SB!

That’s not nitpicking. That’s pointing out hypocrisy and stupidity.

Also, saying the Chiefs had a terrible 2018 draft, but describing their 2020 draft as “pretty good” goes to show how unrealistic your expectations are and how clueless you really are.

News flash:

When you’re picking 32nd it doesn’t get any ****ing better than our 2020 draft.
Posts: 49,224
staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 12:01 PM   #4573
BossChief BossChief is offline
SuperBowl or bust
 
BossChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: BF Iowa
Casino cash: $1554088
Quote:
Originally Posted by htismaqe View Post
That's fine with me. I didn't create that straw man. I don't believe guarantees exist in the NFL, especially not in the draft, just chances.

It's all about opportunity cost.
I trust Veach and our staffs ability to evaluate talent.

Here’s how it will work and this ISN'T speculation.

We will identify the group of OTs we feel can play in our system at a pro bowl or all pro level. We only have interest in that level of player for group 1. We will run through 20-30 internal mocks to try to identify where those guys will land. We will have a timeline of how we will specialize the training for each of them if we were to pick them so we have a plan in place to develop them.

Before the draft starts, we will have conversations with GMs at certain “sweet spots” to gauge their interest in moving down and identify the spots we can move to and the likely cost to do so. We will also reach out to other teams to do counter intelligence and to give misinformation to try to push other talents up so our guys fall a little more.

Once the draft is underway, we will be patient until it’s necessary to be aggressive..but trust me when I say our aggressiveness to go get the guy we want out of that list will be bold. That time will be when there are 2 of the guys on our list on the board. We’re hoping that doesn’t happen till the 20s, but it could be much sooner and we are willing to use next years first to move up to get the guy we feel can make Pat comfortable in the pocket enough to go through progressions.

Hopefully as the draft nears (within 3-4 days of the draft) we can convince Baltimore to make a realistic deal with us, but at this point that doesn’t seem likely. If it were just the picks, the deal would be done already...but the picks and the contract requires a lot of very limited resources and commitment and there’s a utoff point (like in the silverback negotiations) when the arOI is no longer there.
__________________
Dreams do come true...

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
Posts: 47,175
BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BossChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 12:04 PM   #4574
htismaqe htismaqe is offline
'Tis my eye!
 
htismaqe's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Chiefsplanet
Casino cash: $10269900
Quote:
Originally Posted by BossChief View Post
Hopefully as the draft nears (within 3-4 days of the draft) we can convince Baltimore to make a realistic deal with us, but at this point that doesn’t seem likely. If it were just the picks, the deal would be done already...but the picks and the contract requires a lot of very limited resources and commitment and there’s a utoff point (like in the silverback negotiations) when the arOI is no longer there.
I don't buy this at all.

If they had the money to sign Trent Williams, they have the money to sign Orlando Brown.

THE issue is the draft picks and only the draft picks. If it were about money, then it would have been done already. In fact, he might have been their first target over Williams simply due to his age.
Posts: 100,022
htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.htismaqe is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2021, 12:06 PM   #4575
Sassy Squatch Sassy Squatch is online now
The man you could post like.
 
Sassy Squatch's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2010
Casino cash: $2119655
What the **** is this gimmick, Bosschief?
Posts: 38,094
Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sassy Squatch is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 305 of 319 « First 205255295301302303304 305 306307308309315 Last »

« Previous Thread | > Nzoner's Game Room < | Next Thread »

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:20 PM.

Contact Us - ChiefsPlanet - Archive - Top

This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Advertise with us!
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.