***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Hammock Parties]

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

And dumbassery like this is why "voluntary quarantine" procedures won't work.

It just buys time for the government to get its shit together and implement whatever comes next...

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Rausch

It's not the govts. job to be optimistic - it's their job to prepare for the worst.

We need to be calm and optimistic so the worst doesn't happen...

Correct. The scientists and the government should not be cheerleaders. Give us the facts and best scientific based advice possible regardless of how its perceived by the public.

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Correct. The scientists and the government should not be cheerleaders. Give us the facts and best advice possible regardless of how its perceived by the public.

The problem I have is that a lot of what Del Blasio and others say only flame the panic. Talk of nationalizing certain industries etc.. Too damn many mixed messages coming out from different sources.

It also bothers me why the media doesn't talk about the recoveries in comparison to the death toll. Are the number of cases going to go up? Absolutely? Will the death toll go up? Yes, but so will the recovery numbers

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Correct. The scientists and the government should not be cheerleaders. Give us the facts and best scientific based advice possible regardless of how its perceived by the public.

I don't like what I'm seeing in that regard.

I see some people (politicians in power) basically begging for marshal law and some saying "calm down - everything will be ok."

Both groups scare the shit out of me and signify the worst of human nature...

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by Rausch

I don't like what I'm seeing in that regard.

I see some people (politicians in power) basically begging for marshal law and some saying "calm down - everything will be ok."

Both groups scare the shit out of me and signify the worst of human nature...

exactly

[Hammock Parties]

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder what affect this will have on commercial air travel:

CDC recommended organizers "cancel or postpone in-person events that consist of 50 people or more throughout the United States"

I heard a rumor they would clarify that statement regarding air travel. but that was just a rumor.. who knows?

[Halfcan]

Well...thanks to the virus panic mongers, my business will be shut down until March 31st. No income and can't even take a vacation because we might get stuck somewhere during this lunacy.

This is not even about the virus any longer- it is about taking over this country.

Zero cases in the entire county- yet the city is going on full lockdown. You can't even go to a nature park now- ridiculous. Store shelves are empty and small businesses will be hurting including my own.

[mr. tegu]

United insurance is now allowing telephone therapy. At least for my clients in Kansas. If you have them you can check to see if it’s an option in your state.

[Hammock Parties]

Gas down to 1.79 at Costco/Sams.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Well...thanks to the virus panic mongers, my business will be shut down until March 31st. No income and can't even take a vacation because we might get stuck somewhere during this lunacy.

This is not even about the virus any longer- it is about taking over this country.

Zero cases in the entire county- yet the city is going on full lockdown. You can't even go to a nature park now- ridiculous. Store shelves are empty and small businesses will be hurting including my own.

Sorry to hear the news about your employer.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Well...thanks to the virus panic mongers, my business will be shut down until March 31st. No income and can't even take a vacation because we might get stuck somewhere during this lunacy.

This is not even about the virus any longer- it is about taking over this country.

Zero cases in the entire county- yet the city is going on full lockdown. You can't even go to a nature park now- ridiculous. Store shelves are empty and small businesses will be hurting including my own.

Sorry, man. It sucks and it's bullshit.

[mr. tegu]

Starting tomorrow KU Med is ending elective surgeries and they expect to be basically at none by next week.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

whats the % of the elderly in Spain?

Spain's trajectory is worse than Italy's pic.twitter.com/lZZ0o5ncOZ

— Tim Carney (@TPCarney) March 16, 2020

I wonder what this chart would look like if the US were broken into regional pieces.