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Old 04-08-2019, 05:22 PM  
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CB Greedy Williams not a 1st round pick?
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The Athletic's Dane Brugler reports that "several teams" don't have first-round grades on LSU CB Greedy Williams.
Williams (6'2/185) sits on the Round 1/2 borderline, but this report indicates opinions are all over the place. After a dominant 2017 collegiate season, Williams allowed the lowest catch rate among SEC cornerbacks in 2018, but some draft analysts are concerned with his slender frame and how that projects to his tackling ability. Despite the critique, NFL Media's Lance Zierlein says Williams has the potential to be a team's CB1.

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Old 04-08-2019, 10:01 PM   #31
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um.. everybody is lying from here until the draft is over. GW goes in the first... prolly the top half.
This is a good point. I bet 27 teams are leaking that they don't have a first-round grade on Nick Bosa.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:32 AM   #32
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KU QB Kale Pick only threw one interception in his illustrious career
If players lived up to their name then Chris Jones name might be Marcus peters instead
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:59 AM   #33
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I heard his "thing" (other than tackling) is that he quit on his team last year. To those that say that, it's a little different when you're out of the running for a national title and decide to shut it down to avoid an injury that could derail your multi-million dollar future as compared to quitting on an NFL team (his mother was a single mother and he is already the father of a 2 year old BTW). That would get you kicked out of the locker room or cut. Even when football is involved, there are bigger things than football. I'd be glad to take him at 29. Deion never tackled and he is in the HOF.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:33 AM   #34
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He’s pretty much the consensus top cover corner in the draft.

If he’s there at 29, it would be really hard not to take him,
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:42 AM   #35
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Tackling for a CB is pretty far down the list for me but I think i'm pretty much alone in that assessment.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:46 AM   #36
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Hard for me to fully believe this considering everyone in this business lies in April. I wonder if this is a few teams trying to shit talk him so he falls down the board to their pick.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:52 AM   #37
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Been sayin' it since draft season kicked off - this is a pretty poor CB class and Williams is a fringe first round player. Murphy's the only guy that I'd give a definite 1st round grade among the CBs.

I'd probably take Williams at 29 if he's there because if he's still sitting there, the rest of the NFL has probably picked clean the guys I'd consider blue chip talents and he'd fit our scheme well. Of similarly situated prospects, he'd probably be the best guy sitting there.

But I wouldn't go dancing through the streets thinking we stole one by any means. He reminds me a bit of Eli Apple and I'm not sure he's clearly any better than someone like Trayvon Mullen, who nobody seems to see as a 1st rounder and some are putting in the 3rd.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:55 AM   #38
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If it's Greedy or Hock, I'm taking Hock.

Fant's a closer call due to fit rather than talent. But I don't think either guy falls that far. Fant is such a perfect fit with the Packers and I think Hock will go somewhere between the Jags and the Bills; the Jags, Lions and Bills could all really use him and he's the most complete TE talent in this draft by far.
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Hockerson is a god damn beast and Fant is pretty good.

We should go dancing through the streets if Hockerson fell to us.
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When I think of LSU corners, Greedy feels more like a Morris Claiborne type than PP... so I’m iffy on him to say the least.

Whether I pick him or not probably comes down to the meetings they’ve presumably had with him. Get a feel for the character and go from there.
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Peters wasn't the reason why the D was terrible during his last days.

Yes he sucked at tackling, but the secondary overall was better when he was on the field and the D sure as hell made more plays (sometimes game saving) when he was on the field.

You can always bulk up in the weight room, he has the frame/size to gain 15 lbs of muscle.

If Greedy is there at 29, Veach would be a ****ing moron not to draft him...assuming they don't trade up into the mid/late teens for someone like Ferrell, which I wouldn't be opposed to either.
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He’s pretty much the consensus top cover corner in the draft.

If he’s there at 29, it would be really hard not to take him,
Well, according to the OP he's far from the consensus top corner.
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I’m not saying I wouldn’t take him at 29, but if he’s sitting there at said pick, why do they have to take him? Shouldn’t we assume he’s fallen that far for a reason?

It wouldn’t be a Derwin James scenario.
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When I think of LSU corners, Greedy feels more like a Morris Claiborne type than PP... so I’m iffy on him to say the least.

Whether I pick him or not probably comes down to the meetings they’ve presumably had with him. Get a feel for the character and go from there.
Greedy's more flexible than Claiborne. Claiborne just looked so damn stiff that it wasn't a surprise that he couldn't do much in man.

I don't quite see that from Greedy. Honestly I'm not sure exactly what I don't like about him - he just doesn't seem terribly aware out there at times. The athleticism is good, the agility will play. He just kinda loses the thread at times.

Like I said - at 29 I'd probably gamble and see if we can get him to engage more often because he does have starting CB physical tools. But there's more bust potential there than most guys with his attributes because you can't have a space cadet on an island. It just doesn't work - he'll burn you at the worst time every time.
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Peters wasn't the reason why the D was terrible during his last days.

Yes he sucked at tackling, but the secondary overall was better when he was on the field and the D sure as hell made more plays (sometimes game saving) when he was on the field.

You can always bulk up in the weight room, he has the frame/size to gain 15 lbs of muscle.

If Greedy is there at 29, Veach would be a ****ing moron not to draft him...assuming they don't trade up into the mid/late teens for someone like Ferrell, which I wouldn't be opposed to either.
More like if every player on that defense was playing at Peters' level, it would have been the best defense in the league.

The guy was a baller.
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