Chiefs Bronc-holes interested in Hudson - Page 3

**FRCDFED** · 03-07-2015, 06:10 PM

Dont know if its just to drive up the price but according to Arrowhead Pride Fail-way is interested in signing Hudson.

Nightfyre · 03-07-2015, 07:36 PM

Hey guys - lets just pay elite contracts to every above average guy we have. That way we can spend

20/year on a QB
10/year on a RB or two
4/year on a FB
12/year on 2-3 WRs
12/year on 2 tackles
9/year on 2 guards
9/year on a center
15/year on 2 DEs
15/year on a NT
17/year on two OLBs
8/year on two ILBs
10/year on two CBs
9/year on two Safeties
4/year on a punter
and 4/year on a Kicker

It's just not feasible. The average salary on a 51 man salary cap is 2.8 mill. Is Hudson worth tying up 6.3% of your salary cap every year to fill 1 of 51 spots? I say no. Hudson's market value is 7.5/year, so to pay him 9 just because is dumb.

**BigMeatballDave** · 03-07-2015, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Losing Hudsn is a major Dorsey Blunder.

No, it's not, unless he signs somewhere for under $7m per.

What if someone signs him for $9m+?

O.city · 03-07-2015, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Hey guys - lets just pay elite contracts to every above average guy we have. That way we can spend

20/year on a QB
10/year on a RB or two
4/year on a FB
12/year on 2-3 WRs
12/year on 2 tackles
9/year on 2 guards
9/year on a center
15/year on 2 DEs
15/year on a NT
17/year on two OLBs
8/year on two ILBs
10/year on two CBs
9/year on two Safeties
4/year on a punter
and 4/year on a Kicker

It's just not feasible. The average salary on a 51 man salary cap is 2.8 mill. Is Hudson worth tying up 6.3% of your salary cap every year to fill 1 of 51 spots? I say no. Hudson's market value is 7.5/year, so to pay him 9 just because is dumb.

You gotta look at it this way. The Cap has gone up 20 mil in 2 years. Someone on twitter said this, but guys who made 7 2 years ago, now are at 9. It's the way it is.

**Bowser** · 03-07-2015, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Hey guys - lets just pay elite contracts to every above average guy we have. That way we can spend

20/year on a QB
10/year on a RB or two
4/year on a FB
12/year on 2-3 WRs
12/year on 2 tackles
9/year on 2 guards
9/year on a center
15/year on 2 DEs
15/year on a NT
17/year on two OLBs
8/year on two ILBs
10/year on two CBs
9/year on two Safeties
4/year on a punter
and 4/year on a Kicker

It's just not feasible. The average salary on a 51 man salary cap is 2.8 mill. Is Hudson worth tying up 6.3% of your salary cap every year to fill 1 of 51 spots? I say no. Hudson's market value is 7.5/year, so to pay him 9 just because is dumb.

Did we pack the team up and move to Denver?

Nightfyre · 03-07-2015, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

You gotta look at it this way. The Cap has gone up 20 mil in 2 years. Someone on twitter said this, but guys who made 7 2 years ago, now are at 9. It's the way it is.

What value are you getting for 9 mill at CENTER though? You can get top tier guards and tackles for that. Or a second tier receiver.

O.city · 03-07-2015, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

What value are you getting for 9 mill at CENTER though? You can get top tier guards and tackles for that. Or a second tier receiver.

Everything is going up though.

You could get that before the cap rise, I doubt you can get a top tier tackle at that price anymore.

Nightfyre · 03-07-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Everything is going up though.

You could get that before the cap rise, I doubt you can get a top tier tackle at that price anymore.

The salary cap increased 7.5%. This does not increase Hudson's market value by 20%.

O.city · 03-07-2015, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre

The salary cap increased 7.5%. This does not increase Hudson's market value by 20%.

In 2 years, it's increased 15%.

Add in the other potential free agents in the market, free agency itself and you get to 9 million.

I wouldn't pay it myself, but I can see them wanting to keep their center.

O.city · 03-07-2015, 08:10 PM

I brought it up in another thread I think, could be this one, but how valuable is having the best C in the game? Is the drop off from an elite player there to say an above average player there worth 4 million dollars difference or whatever it is?

I don't know.

Saccopoo · 03-07-2015, 08:19 PM

The center calls the line. The center and QB interaction/relationship is huge. The center has to be able to get the ball to the QB while dealing with an on rushing 350 lb. defensive nose tackle a nanosecond later.

People thinking that "he's just a center" is a laughable concept. The center is the keystone for the entire line.

That being said, losing Hudson is going to be major, though paying 9m for his services is also major.

Hudson/his agent know that he's the best lineman the Chiefs have by a substantial margin. Teams know he put up a very, very quality year with dogshit on both sides of him. He's worked with Smith for two years and there is synergy. He's got major leverage on them.

He's going to get paid regardless. One just hopes that he is in an altruistic mood and gives the Chiefs a hometown discount. Otherwise, it's going to be hard for the Chiefs to fork over 9m while keeping balance on the team. (Though, I'm inclined to give Hudson more leeway in contract negotiations than Houston. Is Houston worth twice as much as Hudson on the open market? To the team? Who is the more attractive fall back - Kush or Ford?)

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 03-07-2015, 08:20 PM

That 9 mil figure includes a stipulation that he will record at least two albums.

O.city · 03-07-2015, 08:21 PM

Pass rusher is more valuable than the C. Easily.

And Ford wasn't drafted to replace Houston. If thats the case, you're going to have to replace the other OLB when Hali is cut loose.

Chiefs Pantalones · 03-07-2015, 08:22 PM

@JasonLaCanfora: Chiefs making a strong push to retain C Rodney Hudson. Not sure they can pull it off, but making an attempt. Many other teams interested

Saccopoo · 03-07-2015, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I brought it up in another thread I think, could be this one, but how valuable is having the best C in the game? Is the drop off from an elite player there to say an above average player there worth 4 million dollars difference or whatever it is?

I don't know.

As I posted above, I think you've got to consider the alternatives.

Is a 4 million dollar difference going from a 95% player at the center position to an unknown (Kush) worth it?

Is a $13 million dollar difference going from a 95% player at the OLB position to a relatively largely unknown (Dee Ford) worth it?

tecumseh · 03-07-2015, 08:25 PM

What Wiesewski"s going rate? I understand and appreciate Hudson's value to Smith. The synergy. But 9 mil? Sounds like hostage negotiations.

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03-07-2015, 07:36 PM	#31
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $3428849	Hey guys - lets just pay elite contracts to every above average guy we have. That way we can spend 20/year on a QB 10/year on a RB or two 4/year on a FB 12/year on 2-3 WRs 12/year on 2 tackles 9/year on 2 guards 9/year on a center 15/year on 2 DEs 15/year on a NT 17/year on two OLBs 8/year on two ILBs 10/year on two CBs 9/year on two Safeties 4/year on a punter and 4/year on a Kicker It's just not feasible. The average salary on a 51 man salary cap is 2.8 mill. Is Hudson worth tying up 6.3% of your salary cap every year to fill 1 of 51 spots? I say no. Hudson's market value is 7.5/year, so to pay him 9 just because is dumb.
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03-07-2015, 08:10 PM	#39
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2514064	I brought it up in another thread I think, could be this one, but how valuable is having the best C in the game? Is the drop off from an elite player there to say an above average player there worth 4 million dollars difference or whatever it is? I don't know.
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03-07-2015, 08:19 PM	#40
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	The center calls the line. The center and QB interaction/relationship is huge. The center has to be able to get the ball to the QB while dealing with an on rushing 350 lb. defensive nose tackle a nanosecond later. People thinking that "he's just a center" is a laughable concept. The center is the keystone for the entire line. That being said, losing Hudson is going to be major, though paying 9m for his services is also major. Hudson/his agent know that he's the best lineman the Chiefs have by a substantial margin. Teams know he put up a very, very quality year with dogshit on both sides of him. He's worked with Smith for two years and there is synergy. He's got major leverage on them. He's going to get paid regardless. One just hopes that he is in an altruistic mood and gives the Chiefs a hometown discount. Otherwise, it's going to be hard for the Chiefs to fork over 9m while keeping balance on the team. (Though, I'm inclined to give Hudson more leeway in contract negotiations than Houston. Is Houston worth twice as much as Hudson on the open market? To the team? Who is the more attractive fall back - Kush or Ford?)
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03-07-2015, 08:20 PM	#41
Jiu Jitsu Jon Level 40 Wizard Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Misery Casino cash: $10013080	That 9 mil figure includes a stipulation that he will record at least two albums. __________________ John Madden's three rules: 1. Be on time. 2. Pay attention. 3. Play like hell when I tell you to.
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03-07-2015, 08:21 PM	#42
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2514064	Pass rusher is more valuable than the C. Easily. And Ford wasn't drafted to replace Houston. If thats the case, you're going to have to replace the other OLB when Hali is cut loose.
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03-07-2015, 08:22 PM	#43
Chiefs Pantalones GO CHIEFS!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $7888717	@JasonLaCanfora: Chiefs making a strong push to retain C Rodney Hudson. Not sure they can pull it off, but making an attempt. Many other teams interested __________________ Don't be fooled by my username, I'm white.
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03-07-2015, 08:25 PM	#45
tecumseh Veteran Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Sweet Spot Casino cash: $9990615	What Wiesewski"s going rate? I understand and appreciate Hudson's value to Smith. The synergy. But 9 mil? Sounds like hostage negotiations.
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