Bob Sutton sucks, say Jets fans

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/...he-kansas-city

Goodness gracious, what an awful decision that would be for the Chiefs.

You probably remember Sutton's run as Jets defensive coordinator under Eric Mangini from 2006 to 2008. The Jets never had a defense ranked higher than 16th. The scheme was unimaginative.

Sutton didn't blitz much, and when he did, it was terribly designed. This all led to a demotion when Rex Ryan came aboard.

As you all know, playing with largely the same personnel and without the best player Sutton had, Kris Jenkins, for most of the year the Jets had the number one defense in the league the year after Sutton left the defensive coordinator post.

With all of the good coaches the Jets have on defense, Andy Reid is going to hire the one bad coach.

[cyborgtable]

Originally Posted by RustShack

You mean Mangini wasn't a good DC. Sutton had never ran that scheme before, so anyone with half a brain would know he wasn't the one running it.

Yes, he called the plays but it was Mangini gameplanning and running it, you are correct. I still think he will do at worst the same as last season just because you have much better personnel to run the defense then we did when we were the number 1 D

[dannybcaitlyn]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/...he-kansas-city

Welp, We were warned.

[chiefzilla1501]

Jfc. Let's see what he does in the playoffs with a full deck. The d did not play bad against Indy except for one horrendous safety who was in position and didn't do his job.

[Lex Luthor]

Nobody bumped this thread when the Chiefs were averaging 5 sacks a game.

[dannybcaitlyn]

We've lost so much over the years Chief fans are Brainwashed in to accepting mediocrity.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

We've lost so much over the years Chief fans are Brainwashed in to accepting mediocrity.

Were you calling for Bob Sutton to be fired when the Chiefs were averaging 5 sacks per game and EVERYONE was writing that the Chiefs have a championship caliber defense?

I didn't think so, n00b.

I know, you've been around since 2004. But anyone who's been on this site for 9 years and only has 800 posts is a n00b.

[suzzer99]

Other teams have figured us out and we haven't adjusted. That's a sign of bad coaching. We telegraph our blitzes, and make it completely obvious when we're rushing three. Compare that to say what the Giants or Steelers do where you never have any idea who's going where.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Other teams have figured us out and we haven't adjusted. That's a sign of bad coaching. We telegraph our blitzes, and make it completely obvious when we're rushing three. Compare that to say what the Giants or Steelers do where you never have any idea who's going where.

I completely agree. And if Sutton shows that he can't figure it out, then he will eventually need to be replaced. I'm just not ready to pull the trigger on the guy as quickly as some people are, given the great success he had the first half of the season.

[dannybcaitlyn]

I have a life and its not about ****ing sitting on forum and counting how many post I have. So who gives a shit they had a couple 5 sack games! Teams have figured it out and your dumb ass coordinator hasn't. They haven't done shit in the last eight games and most likely it will be our demise in the playoffs. Your just another Gullible Homer Chief Fan

[Ceej]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

I have a life and its not about ****ing sitting on forum and counting how many post I have. So who gives a shit they had a couple 5 sack games! Teams have figured it out and your dumb ass coordinator hasn't. They haven't done shit in the last eight games and most likely it will be our demise in the playoffs. Your just another Gullible Homer Chief Fan

The guy who has a life goes back and bumps a thread from nearly a year ago. Yeah, uh-huh okay.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Other teams have figured us out and we haven't adjusted. That's a sign of bad coaching. We telegraph our blitzes, and make it completely obvious when we're rushing three. Compare that to say what the Giants or Steelers do where you never have any idea who's going where.

No it isn't. We throw a lot of delayed blitzes, lots of guys at the line who sprint back into coverage, blitzers from all directions.

It's hard to do much when your safeties can't cover over the top. When cooper is targeted the minute the ball is snapped. When you have two defensive ends who are excellent run stuffers but are terrible against the pass, and when we lost Houston, we lost a player with the versatility to rush, stop the run, and cover. We also don't have the depth to rest our players and they are clearly gassed. Against Indy, we played excellent defense -- when your players are in the right position to make a play and don't, that's poor talent. Not scheme.

Get at least an average safety. Improve our d line depth. Cooper has to get better and he will. Get our starters healthy. Fixed. Let's not throw the d coordinator under the bus when he's working with what we have. Right now, my biggest beef is he doesn't sub out as much as he should.

[dannybcaitlyn]

Originally Posted by Ceej

The guy who has a life goes back and bumps a thread from nearly a year ago. Yeah, uh-huh okay.

Suttons pissing me off!

[tecumseh]

Let's say the Chiefs defense start the 14' season the way they are finishing the 13' run. Then, he's got to go. He's earned a short leash.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by dannybcaitlyn

I have a life and its not about ****ing sitting on forum and counting how many post I have. So who gives a shit they had a couple 5 sack games! Teams have figured it out and your dumb ass coordinator hasn't. They haven't done shit in the last eight games and most likely it will be our demise in the playoffs. Your just another Gullible Homer Chief Fan

The problem with fans like you is you want immediate fixes. You have no idea how to fix the problem. All you know is that SOMETHING must be done, and it must be done IMMEDIATELY! If the defense, which was the BEST IN THE NFL through 7 weeks has run into a rough patch, then CLEARLY the defensive coordinator MUST BE FIRED!

You're certainly not a gullible Homer Chief fan. You're clearly just an idiot. You should probably go back to just lurking on the site.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No it isn't. We throw a lot of delayed blitzes, lots of guys at the line who sprint back into coverage, blitzers from all directions.

It's hard to do much when your safeties can't cover over the top. When cooper is targeted the minute the ball is snapped. When you have two defensive ends who are excellent run stuffers but are terrible against the pass, and when we lost Houston, we lost a player with the versatility to rush, stop the run, and cover. We also don't have the depth to rest our players and they are clearly gassed. Against Indy, we played excellent defense -- when your players are in the right position to make a play and don't, that's poor talent. Not scheme.

Get at least an average safety. Improve our d line depth. Cooper has to get better and he will. Get our starters healthy. Fixed. Let's not throw the d coordinator under the bus when he's working with what we have. Right now, my biggest beef is he doesn't sub out as much as he should.

First paragraph is pretty much wrong.

The rest is head in the sand bullshit. The secondary has issues but it's no excuse for the current horrible pass rush.

The scheme is bad. The pass rushers are predictable. Coaching needs to change.