Not starting Patrick Mahomes II in 2017 - good idea or bad idea?

[jjchieffan]

It was the right decision. It worked out for the best. Yeah, maybe we would have beaten the Titans in the playoffs last year. But we wouldn't have gotten Fuller in return for Alex if he wasn't starting and playing his best season. Without Fuller, we likely wouldn't have had the number one seed this year and quite possibly would have not made it to the AFCCG. We would have probably ended up the 5 seed. Andy is smarter than all of us. He proved it by sitting Mahomes last year.

[jjchieffan]

Now, had Smith suffered a mild concussion or a twisted ankle in the Titans game about half-time, then that could have been nice. Alex wouldn't have lost any trade value and we probably win that game.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Now, had Smith suffered a mild concussion or a twisted ankle in the Titans game about half-time, then that could have been nice. Alex wouldn't have lost any trade value and we probably win that game.

That's a really solid point, but I think most GMs would see through that ruse.

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[big nasty kcnut]

He got a year of learning how to be a nfl qb from alex as well as understanding the defense without having to get hit. Plus let him get hungry to go and show people how good he is.

[Hoover]

I think he may have learned a lot from watching that playoff loss last year.

I agree, we probably win if we bench Smith, but it all worked out in the end.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Hoover

I think he may have learned a lot from watching that playoff loss last year.

I agree, we probably win if we bench Smith, but it all worked out in the end.

Not only that, but a playoff loss of his own could hit his confidence. Media and fans only memory of Mahomes would be a playoff game he was unprepared for. That's a long offseason. And not ideal considering that many fans and in the media weren't sold on getting rid of Smith. Unnecessary to rush him. We gave Mahomes his own offense built around him and a full offseason to prepare. Frankly, judging by the way the Chiefs approached the offseason, I think they expected him to have a bumpy first few games.

[PAChiefsGuy]

It was obviously the right decison. Mahomes, Reid, and even Mahomes Dad have constantly talked about how important it was for Mahomes to sit that first-year and learn from Smitty.

I know a lot of the armchair GMs on here think they know more about QBs than Andy Reid does but truth is, you don't. Reid knows what he is doing when it comes to that position. He had his reasons for not starting Mahomes and that is good enough for me.

[Nickhead]

given the outcome up to this point, i can't believe you are even asking the question. aside from it being unfair to DJ that he missed out on this year.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Nickhead

given the outcome up to this point, i can't believe you are even asking the question. aside from it being unfair to DJ that he missed out on this year.

Yeah those pesky Raider players.

[Pablo]

I dunno, Pat could already have 10,000 yards and 100 TD's by now, so I guess last year was a waste.

[suzzer99]

1. Good idea.
2. He learned so much from Smiff.
3. Everything happens for a reason.
4. Let's just enjoy this ride.

Btw I voted worse for the Chiefs in the short term but better in the long term because I think we easily beat the Titans with Mahomie.

But I guess I'm not looking at the whole season.

Either way - let's just enjoy this ride.

[oldman]

Smith had a career year in 2017 which upped his trade value. PM2 learned from Smith. I think Andy made the right choice.

[dlphg9]

I hate this stupid ass "he learned from Smith bullshit, because Reid and even Mahomes said so!". Wtf do you guys expect them to say.

Reid "Yeah, well I made a mistake starting Alex last year in place of Mahomes. I knew Mahomes was ready and couldn't possibly learn anything from that cuck QB."

Mahomes "Alex was a real pussy. Sitting behind him was the mistake Andy could have made. What was he supposed to teach me? How to run out of a clean pocket and into a sack or how to throw 6 yards short on 3rd down."

Another stupid ass thing that is said is he had to be coached out of his wreckless college mistakes. Wtf are some of you idiots talking about. His last year of college he had 41 tds and 10 ints. Hes still the same player he was in college.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I hate this stupid ass "he learned from Smith bullshit, because Reid and even Mahomes said so!". Wtf do you guys expect them to say.

Reid "Yeah, well I made a mistake starting Alex last year in place of Mahomes. I knew Mahomes was ready and couldn't possibly learn anything from that outstanding citizen QB."

Mahomes "Alex was a real pussy. Sitting behind him was the mistake Andy could have made. What was he supposed to teach me? How to run out of a clean pocket and into a sack or how to throw 6 yards short on 3rd down."

Another stupid ass thing that is said is he had to be coached out of his wreckless college mistakes. Wtf are some of you idiots talking about. His last year of college he had 41 tds and 10 ints. Hes still the same player he was in college.

If Alex Smith was a dick to Mahomes and didnt teach him shit not sure Reid or Mahomes would mention it but they certainly wouldnt be praising the guy for helping him.

You also fail to mention Mahomes Dad praising Smith. Again, if he didnt learn anything from Smith not sure Mahomes Dad would mention it but I guarantee you he wouldn't have said this:

Dads understand and appreciate help given to their children. So Pat Mahomes told Smith several times last year how much he appreciated what he did for his boy. Unspoken was the fact that they both knew Patrick was there to take Smith’s job.

“That’s what’s so admirable about what Alex did all season for him,” Pat Mahomes said. “I know how it was when I came up [to the Minnesota Twins, in 1992]. I remember one time that year asking Jack Morris how he threw his split-finger fastball. He said, ‘Get away from me, you little … You’ll be trying to take my job next year.’”


And to say that Mahomes is same player he was in college is stupid. You really think he learned absolutely nothing at all by sitting one-year? Come on now...

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

If Alex Smith was a dick to Mahomes and didnt teach him shit not sure Reid or Mahomes would mention it but they certainly wouldnt be praising the guy for helping him.

You also fail to mention Mahomes Dad praising Smith. Again, if he didnt learn anything from Smith not sure Mahomes Dad would mention it but I guarantee you he wouldn't have said this:

Dads understand and appreciate help given to their children. So Pat Mahomes told Smith several times last year how much he appreciated what he did for his boy. Unspoken was the fact that they both knew Patrick was there to take Smith’s job.

“That’s what’s so admirable about what Alex did all season for him,” Pat Mahomes said. “I know how it was when I came up [to the Minnesota Twins, in 1992]. I remember one time that year asking Jack Morris how he threw his split-finger fastball. He said, ‘Get away from me, you little … You’ll be trying to take my job next year.’”


And to say that Mahomes is same player he was in college is stupid. You really think he learned absolutely nothing at all by sitting one-year? Come on now...

Exactly !!

Trust me if NFL organizations had the luxury we did by having a NO.1 rd pick QB sit the bench and learn from a competent system QB for a year they ALL would take this approach. But most don't have this luxury. Now some will say we never had this luxury because Alex should have been benched but I say we did. IF Alex were benched yes Mahomes would have came in and made a few eye opening plays and maybe even win a playoff game but what you chance is not only physical injury but even more is a deep seated psychological injury that would be very hard to undo. But we'll never know thank goodness!!

The Chiefs have shown the model of developing a QB to the rest of the league on how to do it IF they afford themselves the opportunity in the future which I think organizations will start to do in order to reduce the risk of a 1st rd QB bust.

I think you will see organizations really begin to put more of an emphasis on finding 'that guy' who 'really knows the QB position' and is that right person for the QB coach position.