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Old 11-03-2016, 09:11 PM  
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*** Official 2017 Royals Offseason Repository ***

The reign is over. Time to begin the quest for the next one.

Interesting offseason opens for the Royals. Will they go all in for one last shot with this crew? Will they re-tool for 2018 and beyond? Will Dayton Moore actually decrease payroll this time?

Trades, free agent signings, rumors, plans, proposals... dump 'em all here, for this is... the offseason repository!

Royals Top Prospects, 2017

This is a list that’s going to seem a little bleak initially, as Raul Mondesi got enough ABs to age out of the prospect rankings (just barely – at 135 ABs, he is not rookie eligible). But that said, I like the talent and feel like this is a system that will actually be underrated by the prospect services.

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Old 12-05-2016, 03:43 PM   #361
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Dodgers might need Davis as well. Major blockbuster with Cain/Davis to Dodgers for what.....
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:50 PM   #362
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@Ken_Rosenthal: Among CFers in whom #STLCards are expressing interest, per sources: #Royals’ Jarrod Dyson. Potential FA, lower acquisition cost than Cain.
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Old 12-05-2016, 04:54 PM   #363
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Old 12-05-2016, 05:14 PM   #364
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It does seem a little shy but the elbow woes may scare some teams.



The Cubs got Chapman for Gleybar Torres and I'd imagine Torres and Soler have roughly equal value. Torres seems to have the brighter future but Soler's a major league DH at worst right now.



And I wouldn't get way down on Soler just yet either; he made some nice progress with his walk rate last year and did so while maintaining an ISO around .200. If he can keep that walk rate around 10-11% and get the K rate to around 23%, if you combine that with a .200 ISO you've got a damn dangerous player.



If you could get 4 years of what Morales gave you guys last year for the cost of 1 year of Davis, would you take it? With a little more upside than that?



And before you say no - do me a favor and take a look at Wil Myers numbers. There would be something strangely satisfying about trading Myers for Shields and Davis, then dealing Davis for a guy that has a very VERY similar hitting profile to Wil Myers. About the only thing that separated those two offensively last year was PAs and some BABIP luck.



You might be right - Davis is damn good and perhaps you could do a bit better. But I don't think this is the puke-worthy kind of return some of you do either. Soler has a chance to be a hell of an offensive weapon.

You make good points on Soler, but that deal still feels awfully light compared to the Chapman deadline deal.

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Well, that's good to hear. There's a path to moving Cain and Davis that still leads to success in 2017, but only if you net a SP and a 2B/RF in those trades who can upgrade you in 2017, and only if the salary savings are reinvested into some FA support for the bullpen (Luke Hochevar?) and lineup (DH - though all my targets are off the board).


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Old 12-05-2016, 05:20 PM   #365
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Old 12-05-2016, 05:26 PM   #366
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Old 12-05-2016, 05:30 PM   #367
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It does seem a little shy but the elbow woes may scare some teams.

The Cubs got Chapman for Gleybar Torres and I'd imagine Torres and Soler have roughly equal value. Torres seems to have the brighter future but Soler's a major league DH at worst right now.

And I wouldn't get way down on Soler just yet either; he made some nice progress with his walk rate last year and did so while maintaining an ISO around .200. If he can keep that walk rate around 10-11% and get the K rate to around 23%, if you combine that with a .200 ISO you've got a damn dangerous player.

If you could get 4 years of what Morales gave you guys last year for the cost of 1 year of Davis, would you take it? With a little more upside than that?

And before you say no - do me a favor and take a look at Wil Myers numbers. There would be something strangely satisfying about trading Myers for Shields and Davis, then dealing Davis for a guy that has a very VERY similar hitting profile to Wil Myers. About the only thing that separated those two offensively last year was PAs and some BABIP luck.

You might be right - Davis is damn good and perhaps you could do a bit better. But I don't think this is the puke-worthy kind of return some of you do either. Soler has a chance to be a hell of an offensive weapon.

First off, I can't see what resemblance whatsoever Soler has to Myers, other than some raw power and high K rates. Which you could compare to dozens of RH hitters.


Soler is a league AVG hitter wRC+. That's not going to cut it at DH in the AL. He hit .224 vs RH so he's possibly worthless vs. the majority of pitchers we'd face. To me he's a 7 slot hitter on a crappy team, like the As or the Twins.
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Old 12-05-2016, 06:05 PM   #368
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Even with his huge potential, think I'd rather see Ian Happ from the Cubs than Soler. Seeing some buzz that Chicago might offer both, but that seems high (either as The centerpiece works, but both?).


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Old 12-05-2016, 06:16 PM   #369
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What about Almora? He's a very good defender in the Outfield.. Hasn't quite developed the last couple of years in the higher levels like folks thought he would, but still has a lot of potential.
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Perfect time to trade both in my opinion. Their value is only going down from this point.
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You can say that about several players.
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I would think it'd have to be a helluva haul prospect wise for the Royals to even consider that.
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Old 12-05-2016, 06:56 PM   #375
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Terrible trade idea. Wong is garbage and prospects don't exactly help for 2017.

I guess if the Royals make this trade, they've officially thrown up the white flag on the 2017 season.

(They better get one hell of a prospect haul to do this . . . . . )
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