***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

We have no choice here. I mean I keep an N95 in the car for when I go places that require them. But we ordered a few cloth masks for us and our Son. I am more worried about him than anything. I don't like the idea of a 6 year old wearing a mask 10 hours a day.

No..I want ways to use them for Independence Day. It seems like a fitting statement. I want this to go viral.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

No the legislature took Kelly to court over that and it was ruled unconstitutional to limit religious gatherings.

So they did win that? I thought they won but then another court struck it down again or something.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there isn't sense in social distancing. I would prefer the Church handle that themselves. But again, when people see mobs running the streets they get bent when you tell them they can't do things so you understand why some people are not happy about how a lot of this is being handled.

I think the mask order was a bit pre-mature but whatever. The goal posts have clearly been moved from deaths to cases now and that's going to be a tougher one to get through. That's why I would have liked to have heard some specifics from her yesterday on what exactly she was looking to achieve aside from the obvious "we don't want any cases".

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

So I caved and bought a bunch of mask.

I am trying to think of cool shit to with them on the 4th. I was thinking of somehow shootout them up in the air and letting them fall like parachutes. Any other ideas?

Why don't you just wear a bandana. I do when I go to the casinos and I think it looks pretty sweet

[KS Smitty]

Originally Posted by petegz28

So they did win that? I thought they won but then another court struck it down again or something.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying there isn't sense in social distancing. I would prefer the Church handle that themselves. But again, when people see mobs running the streets they get bent when you tell them they can't do things so you understand why some people are not happy about how a lot of this is being handled.

I think the mask order was a bit pre-mature but whatever. The goal posts have clearly been moved from deaths to cases now and that's going to be a tougher one to get through. That's why I would have liked to have heard some specifics from her yesterday on what exactly she was looking to achieve aside from the obvious "we don't want any cases".

Yes they did win which makes this latest executive order without teeth unless it's adopted by individual localities.

The few churches that I know of that have in church worship are also streaming their services and are having fewer in church parishioners. The rioting certainly couldn't happen at a worse time and I don't think all the people are saying it's good and fine but it is within their constitutional rights.

I have been one of the sheep that has worn a mask in public since March and wasn't planning on ceasing anyway so the governors order doesn't bother me one way or the other. Also, I apologize for calling you ****ing stupid yesterday.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Why don't you just wear a bandana. I do when I go to the casinos and I think it looks pretty sweet

I have a Hulkamania one I can wear on my head.

[KS Smitty]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

Yes they did win which makes this latest executive order without teeth unless it's adopted by individual localities.

The few churches that I know of that have in church worship are also streaming their services and are having fewer in church parishioners. The rioting certainly couldn't happen at a worse time and I don't think all the people are saying it's good and fine but it is within their constitutional rights.

I have been one of the sheep that has worn a mask in public since March and wasn't planning on ceasing anyway so the governors order doesn't bother me one way or the other. Also, I apologize for calling you ****ing stupid yesterday.

Actually I don't think it was the court order that prevents this, I believe that the legislature passed a bill in their emergency session that limited the governors ability to do it and she signed it into law.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

Yes they did win which makes this latest executive order without teeth unless it's adopted by individual localities.

The few churches that I know of that have in church worship are also streaming their services and are having fewer in church parishioners. The rioting certainly couldn't happen at a worse time and I don't think all the people are saying it's good and fine but it is within their constitutional rights.

I have been one of the sheep that has worn a mask in public since March and wasn't planning on ceasing anyway so the governors order doesn't bother me one way or the other. Also, I apologize for calling you ****ing stupid yesterday.

It's all good. I take most of what people say here in stride.

[BleedingRed]

Anyone care to explain to me how NY has 400k Confirmed cases and they are trending down?

400k is no where near herd immunity unless we have grossly under estimated how many cases there really are.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KS Smitty

Actually I don't think it was the court order that prevents this, I believe that the legislature passed a bill in their emergency session that limited the governors ability to do it and she signed it into law.

My biggest problem with her on this mask order is her wishy-washy way of going about things. I believe a state legislator from Wichita said the same. One day she is punting things to the locals and then the next taking it back because she isn't getting her way or at least that's how it comes off.

JoCo was resisting the mask order because they didn't see any reason to force it right now. They were asking people to do things and the numbers were not dictating a reason to force it. WY and DG chose to force it. So it's almost like she came out and forced this just to stick her thumb in the eye of JoCo. And then her politicization of it during her conference by saying things like "even Republicans...". That's bullshit.

So I put my tin foil hat on and say as the riots started calming down suddenly we go back to being Covid dictators. The Mayor in KC who was marching without a mask now wants to force everyone to wear a mask. Jackson County signed on. Then you had some Ks counties jump in.

She didn't need to get involved. She doesn't seem to have a plan and is more worried about showing the R's in the state house who is boss. That's just how she tends to come off.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

No..I want ways to use them for Independence Day. It seems like a fitting statement. I want this to go viral.

... better head out to the truck and record a Youtube vid telling it like it is....

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Fish

... better head out to the truck and record a Youtube vid telling it like it is....

You just stick to shooting bottle rockets out your ass crack, Fish.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Fauci out semi-fear mongering saying we could go to 100k cases a day "if things don't turn around". That's over double where we are now. I am not saying he is wrong but I remember being told we would have 3k deaths day by June 1st as well and we went in the complete opposite direction.

He did express concern with people gathering in mass crowds so shut down more bars I guess? Let the people riot in the streets.

I didn't listen to his testimony but did he express any kind of goal or metrics? We have completely flattened the curve. Even with the rise in cases thus far and thankfully it is not translating into deaths.

So you have to ask what is Fauci's goal? 10k cases a day? 0? He wanted more testing and naturally an increase in cases will go along with that so I wish these people would be a bit more clear. Maybe he was and it wasn't stated in the article I read.

He actually wasn't fear mongering at all. He was basically of the stance that "we don't know" and ol' Warren wouldn't shut her yapper and kept pressuring into making him give her a number if things don't get better. Blame that one on Warren, not Fauci. That was a worst case scenario kind of number.

Context is everything. In fact, Fauci even expressed frustration today at his words being skewed or taken out of context and propagated by the media. It happens to everyone, not just orange man. Try to watch things in their entirety (or at least their local entirety) to get a better picture of what was being said.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by loochy

He actually wasn't fear mongering at all. He was basically of the stance that "we don't know" and ol' Warren wouldn't shut her yapper and kept pressuring into making him give her a number if things don't get better. Blame that one on Warren, not Fauci. That was a worst case scenario kind of number.

Fair enough. Like I said I didn't watch only read the CNN recap.

[cdcox]

Netflix has a very informative short series called "Corona Virus explained". The second episode provides an excellent explanation of the vaccine discovery process. Recommended.

[cdcox]

Netflix has a very informative short series called "Corona Virus explained". The second episode provides an excellent explanation of the vaccine discovery process. Recommended.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Fair enough. Like I said I didn't watch only read the CNN recap.

Some of the senators asked good questions, some made good points but took too much time and didn't allow Fauci or others to answer sufficiently, and some tried to use the platform to grandstand instead of ask questions.