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Old 07-14-2020, 11:51 AM  
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Veach is the best GM in the NFL
I don’t think it’s even debatable at this point
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:23 PM   #346
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We know Veach got Reid and Dorsey to buy in on Mahomes. That was legendary Veach-ian work acknowledged by all parties.

Why do you assume that it was all Dorsey who knew *exactly* where he needed to be to draft Mahomes? Veach was the one in contact with Mahomes' rep Chris Cabbot for 94 consecutive days before the draft.

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Veach is responsible for Mahomes. We won a Super Bowl because of Mahomes. We have potentially the greatest athlete of our generation in Kansas City because of Veach.

You want to pretend he should be evaluated because of Hardman and Speaks? Laughable. If Veach didn't exist, this franchise would've likely gone decades without another title.

It's not that Veach can do no wrong - he's absolutely had some misses - but the guy gets enormous credit because he's primarily responsible for the most franchise-altering decision in the modern NFL.
But isn't that a scouts job? Identify good players in the region and sell them to your higher ups? Do you think without Veach that Andy and Dorsey would have never discovered Mahomes? Andy didn't know what Mahomes could potentially be until Veach brought it to him?
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:35 PM   #347
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Jones, Kelce, Hill, Hunt are probably some of the best players in the NFL. Veach gets guys like Armani Watts in those rounds.
Hill and Kelce dropped due to character issues. Let's not pretend they were diamonds in the rough that Dorsey, due to his superior eye for talent. Also before you highlight the Jones pick, you might want to look at the rest of that draft. Outside of Hill (as previously discussed) and Robinson (who is a JAG) that was a horrific draft. I actually think Dorsey had a pretty good eye for talent, but to put him on a pedestal while bashing Veach is silly. If you want to talk about an eye for talent Veach found Mahomes and he alone trumps Kelce, Hill and Jones.
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:37 PM   #348
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But isn't that a scouts job? Identify good players in the region and sell them to your higher ups? Do you think without Veach that Andy and Dorsey would have never discovered Mahomes? Andy didn't know what Mahomes could potentially be until Veach brought it to him?
It would be naive and idiotic to assume Reid and Dorsey would've never discovered Mahomes without Veach. Of course they would've been aware of him and had their eye on him. And had he dropped into the late 20s, I have no doubt they would've taken him. But to just assume because they were aware of Mahomes that they would've been that aggressive in trading up to get him? I think that's a huge stretch.

Veach pointed the needle directly at Mahomes and establish a rapport with the people closest to him. I don't think anyone can deny that was a crucial part of this franchise's going out and drafting a QB with the first first round pick since '83.
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:38 PM   #349
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Hill and Kelce dropped due to character issues. Let's not pretend they were diamonds in the rough that Dorsey, due to his superior eye for talent. Also before you highlight the Jones pick, you might want to look at the rest of that draft. Outside of Hill (as previously discussed) and Robinson (who is a JAG) that was a horrific draft. I actually think Dorsey had a pretty good eye for talent, but to put him on a pedestal while bashing Veach is silly. If you want to talk about an eye for talent Veach found Mahomes and he alone trumps Kelce, Hill and Jones.
Probably the lesson here is to no be afraid of character issues. Trust your staff and leaders to keep them in line, while just drafting the best available talent.
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Old 09-29-2021, 07:44 PM   #350
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Probably the lesson here is to no be afraid of character issues. Trust your staff and leaders to keep them in line, while just drafting the best available talent.
I'm not entirely sure that's the lesson. We're dealing with massive survivorship bias here in that most players with character issues absolutely are red flags and flame out and you never hear from them again. It's finding those guys who have a story behind the story or who have a reasonable shot at redemption with a good locker room and a players' coach like Reid.
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Hill and Kelce dropped due to character issues. Let's not pretend they were diamonds in the rough that Dorsey, due to his superior eye for talent. Also before you highlight the Jones pick, you might want to look at the rest of that draft. Outside of Hill (as previously discussed) and Robinson (who is a JAG) that was a horrific draft. I actually think Dorsey had a pretty good eye for talent, but to put him on a pedestal while bashing Veach is silly. If you want to talk about an eye for talent Veach found Mahomes and he alone trumps Kelce, Hill and Jones.
Veach didn't "find" shit. JFC.

You'd think he pulled Mahomes out of Antarctica or something the way people talk about him.
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Veach didn't "find" shit. JFC.

You'd think he pulled Mahomes out of Antarctica or something the way people talk about him.
The relevant question: Do the Chiefs have Mahomes without Veach?
Likely answer: No.
Conclusion: Veach is primarily responsible for Mahomes.
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Hill and Kelce dropped due to character issues. Let's not pretend they were diamonds in the rough that Dorsey, due to his superior eye for talent. Also before you highlight the Jones pick, you might want to look at the rest of that draft. Outside of Hill (as previously discussed) and Robinson (who is a JAG) that was a horrific draft. I actually think Dorsey had a pretty good eye for talent, but to put him on a pedestal while bashing Veach is silly. If you want to talk about an eye for talent Veach found Mahomes and he alone trumps Kelce, Hill and Jones.
Jesus christ lmao
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Veach didn't "find" shit. JFC.

You'd think he pulled Mahomes out of Antarctica or something the way people talk about him.
You are wrong....... a lot. And true to form, you are here as well. You keep on keeping on though.
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Jesus christ lmao
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-Sneed looks like a legit top 10 corner
-Humphrey and Smith are legit top 10 players at their positions by analytics and film.
Fletcher Cox is a top 3 interior rusher and got his ass kicked by Trey Smith yesterday
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Who deserves blame for this dogshit defense? Veach, Andy, Spags? All of them? Outside of Sneed (who got burned last night) Brett’s picks on the defensive side haven’t panned out (although I think Bolton and Gay could develop into nice players).
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Anyone ready to admit that Veach might be a problem yet?
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Anyone ready to admit that Veach might be a problem yet?

He’s an NFL GM.

NFL GMs miss on picks. Sometimes in the 2nd or 3rd round.

The key is to just be better than the other GMs at not whiffing as much
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Anyone ready to admit that Veach might be a problem yet?
So, pre season Veach did everything right, now he is the problem.
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