Anybody still think Haley shouldn't have been fired?

[King_Chief_Fan]

I say he should have and am glad he is gone.

There he was front and center, the new OC of the Steelers playing Monday night to a national audience and his chance to bury the team that fired him for being the hack that he his. That is the best he could do against a 1-8 team? Those little passes sideways sure reminded me of the good ol days of him in KC. He didn't fool the Chiefs once with that lunacy.

A very poor effort indeed guiding an offense against the worst team in the NFL. His scheme to protect the QB didn't work out to well.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

well, JH did improve the team and it came from some tweaks to the offense -- mainly a boot up their collective ass. Gore is playing better this season, the WR's are playing better also, and of course, Alex Smith is more consistent. But as far as what makes the 49ers a force, it all starts with the defense. JH is a lot like Haley, he has the whole team playing up to speed, just needs to be more consistent.

JFC just

That defense and running game were JUST FINE before Harbaugh got there...what he did was light a fire under Alex Smith and THAT ignited the whole team.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by BossChief

JFC just

That defense and running game were JUST FINE before Harbaugh got there...what he did was light a fire under Alex Smith and THAT ignited the whole team.

the niners are designed around that defense, you know this. I already said he has the offense dialed up.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

the niners are designed around that defense, you know this. I already said he has the offense dialed up.

Does not get it.

[BossChief]

SF had the 13th ranked defense in 2010 (the year before JH got there) and averaged giving up 327 yards per game.

This year, they are 3rd in defense and give up 292 yards per game.

The difference is the upgrades in players and the fact that the offense is extending drives.

Their offense only averaged 313 yards and 19 points per game in 2010 and now average 366 yards and 24 points per game.

They are doing so with largely the same players.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

the niners are designed around that defense, you know this. I already said he has the offense dialed up.

Well, then answer my question. Harbaugh and their GM was responsible for adding several significant defensive talents to this roster.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Well, then answer my question. Harbaugh and their GM was responsible for adding several significant defensive talents to this roster.

what is your question?

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

what is your question?

Do you not think that the draft/FA aquisitions in Rogers, A. Smith, Whitner, Brock, Culliver defensively added to that team?

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Do you not think that the draft/FA aquisitions in Rogers, A. Smith, Whitner, Brock, Culliver defensively added to that team?

Yes, it adds to a good nucleus.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

Yes, it adds to a good nucleus.

So, Harbaugh isn't just an offensive minded guy along with their GM? You acknowledge that he id play a role in the drafting/acquisition of said talent?

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

So, Harbaugh isn't just an offensive minded guy along with their GM? You acknowledge that he id play a role in the drafting/acquisition of said talent?

Well I don't know for sure, but yes, I think the philosophy is to build a team around that defense. But I said earlier JH is having an effect on the whole team like Haley did? I mean he knows a lot more than just offense, like Haley does.

so, where are you taking us here?

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

Well I don't know for sure, but yes, I think the philosophy is to build a team around that defense. But I said earlier JH is having an effect on the whole team like Haley did? I mean he knows a lot more than just offense, like Haley does.

so, where are you taking us here?

I think that Jim has shown a desire through the most recent offseason a desire to buid an offense that doesn't rely solely on it's D to win games, ala the SB Ravens or the Jets w/ Sanchez.

[BossChief]

Harbaugh is what Haleys ceiling would have been.

A guy that is imaginative and innovative as an offensive play caller and is an elite motivator of an entire team.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Harbaugh is what Haleys ceiling would have been.

A guy that is imaginative and innovative as an offensive play caller and is an elite motivator of an entire team.

yes and the biggest diff is that his GM was an insecure twit that eventually sabotaged his efforts long before he fired Haley. The second diff -- and this was perhaps even steven with the first diff, is that JH was given a football team that could do basic NFL stuff like run the ball, block and sack the QB, which is not what the Chiefs could do when Haley took over.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

so, where are you taking us here?

Man can you not see the picture that he lead you to paint?
Haley with a good GM had a good chance of doing what Harbaugh and the 9ers GM has done for the 9ers.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I think that Jim has shown a desire through the most recent offseason a desire to buid an offense that doesn't rely solely on it's D to win games, ala the SB Ravens or the Jets w/ Sanchez.

well, the SB Ravens were considered to rival the best defensive team in the history of NFL -- the '85 Bears, so I think those teams did and do rely mostly on their defense and more to my point, the team strategy is geared towards letting the defense win games instead of trying to turn Alex Smith, Trent Dilfer or Jim McMahon into Joe Montana.

So, there is where we disagree with this, is that I think those teams are/were designed around their fierce defenses. But of course, JH is going to get those guys on offense playing better than say, Mike Singletary did.