Fire Bob Sutton

[petegz28]

That is all.

[O.city]

And Perriera has the balls to say he grabbed his arm so it's pass interference? Yeah, he grabbed him because he'd been shoved backwards.

I'll tell you guys whats gonna end up happening. The NFL officiating is gonna **** some gambler over and he's gonna sue the league. I don't know the law and it may never work, but if an official makes some **** up call and one of the sharps gets ****ed, it's coming.

And I hope they win.

[bricks]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I hate it that both Andy and Sutton go ultra conservative when they have a lead in the 2nd half and I have no idea why. Is Andy scared of a game changing INT? Is Sutton just trying to run clock by playing prevent?

Everyone thought this would change with Pat, but it hasn’t.

This happened in the Broncos and Cardinals game too. The offense just shuts down and defense is in full on prevent.

It’s not going to change because this is Andy’s plan. He’s so terrified of losing games that it ends up losing the game anyway. He plays not to lose when he should be pushing the envelope.

This says a lot about Andy Reid doesn't it?

In that, he lacks killer instinct as a coach. Instead of going for the kill (I don't know I'll make up a scenario here, blitz on 3rd & 15 when your team is up by 21, increase the pressure and increase the possibility of creating a turnover to put the game away....Nope, Andy would rather play prevent and allow the team to convert the 3rd & 15) he would rather be conservative and that allows teams to establish momentum and hang on and creep back into games.


He is a choke job for a reason because he doesn't have that opportune mentality to gamble when necessary; to take chances that involve high risk, high reward to put your team in position to succeed and make plays that could seal games.


He doesn't have that in him. And I don't think he ever will. He has been that way from his Philly days. Its a big reason why he wore out his welcome in Philly.



I think it's fair to judge Andy Reid in that he coaches scared when he has lead. I can't see why?? He hasn't learned from these mistakes. And I personally think he is stupid and stubborn. Were not winning a superbowl with him. No ****ing way. He lacks that psychological edge as a coach.

[OlineDline]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This happened to the Chargers in the 2nd half. Same exact thing.

These officials blow

https://twitter.com/DanHanzus/status...29092765097984

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Entire second half was dink and dunk. Mahomes plays incredibly safe when we have a lead. And I don't think that's because he wants to be a safe qb. You can still pass a ton and be way too conservative. We barely ran the ball in the second half against Tennessee too.

And that dinking and dunking got them a 2 score lead with 8 minutes to go.

What the hell are you even bitching about?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But each of those games was a different sort of stumble-****. Andy never actually dialed back on offense in the Colts loss and there's a hell of an argument to be made that he should have. Had he simply kept the ball on the ground and milked clock, it would've been nearly impossible for the Colts to come back in that game. He did exactly what you're asking and it killed him.

The Steelers game...I mean it's just so damn hard to keep an offense going at any strength when you have a defense that's giving them to the 20 yard line every drive like it's nothing. Moreover, it wasn't like Andy got conservative - the offense simply never found footing at all (and, y'know, there was that time that Smith ignored a streaking Tyreek Hill for what would have been the back-breakers).

You just have to look at each collapse individually and in the end, you see that they're a lot like my golf swing. Something different goes awry every damn time. Ultimately we try to hammer each failure into the same mold but when one's a snap hook into the water and the next a slice into the parking lot...shit, what do you do?

And if every swing was a POS, you'd get yourself a different swing coach but when 80% of the time you can count on the ball straight and true to the fairway...well y'know what, it's just not an easy game...

I understand that. I agree. But it just keeps happening in different ways. I don't know how to reconcile that.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But each of those games was a different sort of stumble-****. Andy never actually dialed back on offense in the Colts loss and there's a hell of an argument to be made that he should have. Had he simply kept the ball on the ground and milked clock, it would've been nearly impossible for the Colts to come back in that game. He did exactly what you're asking and it killed him.

The Steelers game...I mean it's just so damn hard to keep an offense going at any strength when you have a defense that's giving them to the 20 yard line every drive like it's nothing. Moreover, it wasn't like Andy got conservative - the offense simply never found footing at all (and, y'know, there was that time that Smith ignored a streaking Tyreek Hill for what would have been the back-breakers).

You just have to look at each collapse individually and in the end, you see that they're a lot like my golf swing. Something different goes awry every damn time. Ultimately we try to hammer each failure into the same mold but when one's a snap hook into the water and the next a slice into the parking lot...shit, what do you do?

And if every swing was a POS, you'd get yourself a different swing coach but when 80% of the time you can count on the ball straight and true to the fairway...well y'know what, it's just not an easy game...

Passing the ball doesn't mean playing it safe. The playcalling in the Indy collapse was extraordinarily safe. And that didn't feel like Alex Smith just checking down.

This year, we have:
- Went up huge vs SD. Stall on offense. Magically got our legs again when SD crawls back
- Went up huge vs. Pitt. Stall on offense. Magically got our legs back after a tie
- Jax - OK, we were aggressive in the 2nd half, but we flat out sucked on offense.
-SF - Dominated first half. Totally sucked second half with a big lead.
-Denver (game 2) - Ditto
-AZ - Not great in the 1st half. But flat out terrible in the 2nd half.

Meanwhile, every single game where we've been behind, we were sensational in the 4th quarter this year.

So we can try to talk about each game as a case by case scenario. Or we can say there's a clear pattern that we wanted to blame on Alex Smith, but there's clearly something different in what Reid's doing with a lead. And it's not just defense. It's an Offense that keep stalling when we're up.

[suzzer99]

Nobody put TOO much effort into making sure Dan stops this play 4 yards shorter than it actually goes. Just stand around and watch, got it? Cool. pic.twitter.com/umF6tJMcIp

— Craig Stout (@barleyhop) December 18, 2018

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...on-for-week-15

This is my least favorite play of the day.

I’ve questioned the communication, the execution, and the decision-making all year long. None of it has been consistently good. However, to see players standing mere feet away watching a single player try to bring down a running back while he gains another four yards? That’s absolutely unacceptable.

I’m not sure how the Chiefs film sessions are executed. I’m not sure if this is even a blip on their radar. But for me, it just continues to speak to a lack of accountability toward the players for their actions on the field. Why put in that extra effort to bring down the back when they’ll probably get it anyway and the coaching staff won’t punish you for it... right? And sometimes, that’s how it seems with this defense.

The next play was a loss of two yards on a good play by Derrick Nnadi, with Hitchens getting the cleanup tackle. That set up third-and-3 where the Chargers got four yards with a pass completed just past the sticks. That’s a set of downs that gave away four free yards with a bunch of players watching a tackle that could have resulted in a stop. Instead, that drive ended in a touchdown for the Chargers.

This is one thing that's really bothered me. When we play good defenses they swarm to the ball after that first hit. The Chiefs just seem to be standing around assuming the tackle half the time. That's not scheme - it's pure effort. It seems to happen a ton from this D as the game goes on. Maybe they're out of condition or something.

That whole article on AP is great btw.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

And that dinking and dunking got them a 2 score lead with 8 minutes to go.

What the hell are you even bitching about?

Alex Smith scored plenty of TDs with the dink and dunk strategy too. That doesn't mean I have to like it.

It was 1 TD sandwiched between two 3-and-outs (aided by several critical LA penalties, btw). The first 3 and out with an extremely unMahomes like short-of-the-sticks checkdown. The 3rd being one where we clearly game managed the 3-down sequence.

And it's not just one game. It's that we've been not just bad, but really really bad on offense this year in the majority of games when we've played "control the clock" at the end. One TD in isolation all of a sudden doesn't look so good.

[O.city]

That's my biggest gripe on Sutton. Watching the best D's in the league, they're damn relentless. The Chiefs stand around and wait for others to make plays to much.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Alex Smith scored plenty of TDs with the dink and dunk strategy too. That doesn't mean I have to like it.

It was 1 TD sandwiched between two 3-and-outs. The first 3 and out with an extremely unMahomes like short-of-the-sticks checkdown. The 3rd being one where we clearly game managed the 3-down sequence.

And it's not just one game. It's that we've been not just bad, but really really bad on offense this year in the majority of games when we've played "control the clock" at the end. One TD in isolation all of a sudden doesn't look so good.

They went on an 8 minute drive that ended in a TD. That's pretty ideal.

They lead the league in scoring and are on a pretty near historic pace. Are you saying they should be beating teams by 3 or 4 scores every week?

[suzzer99]

C2 man is fine in this 4th down situation, but NOT WHEN YOU'RE LINING YOUR SAFETIES UP 20 YARDS DEEP AND DROPPING. An incredible throw and catch from Rivers keeps the drive alive, but even implementing their typical 10-15 yard safety depth gives Parker an attempt to make a play. pic.twitter.com/qzuIGyCHW2

— Craig Stout (@barleyhop) December 18, 2018

Regarding safety depth.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Passing the ball doesn't mean playing it safe. The playcalling in the Indy collapse was extraordinarily safe. And that didn't feel like Alex Smith just checking down.

You're just seeing what you want to see in that game. They were snapping the ball with 15-20 seconds left on the gameclock. Had they simply gone out there, run the ball up the chute and secured even a couple first downs while milking the playclock dry, they'd have won by 2 scores. Reid's problem was that he wasn't cautious enough. Seriously - do the math on it; the Chiefs were running plays too aggressively and too quickly in that game.

This year, we have:
- Went up huge vs SD. Stall on offense. Magically got our legs again when SD crawls back
- Went up huge vs. Pitt. Stall on offense. Magically got our legs back after a tie
- Jax - We were aggressive in the 2nd half, then flat out sucked.
-SF - Dominated first half. Totally sucked second half with a big lead.
-Denver (game 2) - Ditto
-AZ - Not great in the 1st half. But flat out terrible in the 2nd half.

I've gone over most of these and I believe you were the exact person I spoke to. I'm disinclined to relitigate them. It suffices to say that I think you're egregiously wrong.

Meanwhile, every single game where we've been behind, we were sensational in the 4th quarter this year.

So we can try to talk about each game as a case by case scenario. Or we can say there's a clear pattern that we wanted to blame on Alex Smith, but there's clearly something different in what Reid's doing with a lead. And it's not just defense. It's an Offense that keep stalling when we're up.

What Reid is doing with a lead has yielded victories virtually every time. We've lost 3 games this year, all to top 5(ish) teams in the NFL by what, a combined 7 points? And in 2 of those Reid has taken shit from people for being TOO aggressive on his game-tying drives. The guy can't win for anything with this crowd.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

They went on an 8 minute drive that ended in a TD. That's pretty ideal.

They lead the league in scoring and are on a pretty near historic pace. Are you saying they should be beating teams by 3 or 4 scores every week?

SD/Pitt - terrible on offense until the 2 teams caught up
Den/SF/Jags/AZ - Flat out terrible in the second half
SD - other than one TD drive, terrible in the 4th quarter

Again, they have been not just bad, but really really bad in games where we're in "run out the clock" mode in the second half. I don't care how many scores we win by. I just want Reid to play every lead like it's 0-0. We play not to lose in the second half when we're in control of the game. That drive may have resulted in a TD, but that was an Alex Smith drive if I've ever seen one.

[OlineDline]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

C2 man is fine in this 4th down situation, but NOT WHEN YOU'RE LINING YOUR SAFETIES UP 20 YARDS DEEP AND DROPPING. An incredible throw and catch from Rivers keeps the drive alive, but even implementing their typical 10-15 yard safety depth gives Parker an attempt to make a play. pic.twitter.com/qzuIGyCHW2

— Craig Stout (@barleyhop) December 18, 2018

Regarding safety depth.

You can't play press man and not set your safeties deep.

You may as well play zero.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You're just seeing what you want to see in that game. They were snapping the ball with 15-20 seconds left on the gameclock. Had they simply gone out there, run the ball up the chute and secured even a couple first downs while milking the playclock dry, they'd have won by 2 scores. Reid's problem was that he wasn't cautious enough. Seriously - do the math on it; the Chiefs were running plays too aggressively and too quickly in that game.



I've gone over most of these and I believe you were the exact person I spoke to. I'm disinclined to relitigate them. It suffices to say that I think you're egregiously wrong.



What Reid is doing with a lead has yielded victories virtually every time. We've lost 3 games this year, all to top 5(ish) teams in the NFL by what, a combined 7 points? And in 2 of those Reid has taken shit from people for being TOO aggressive on his game-tying drives. The guy can't win for anything with this crowd.

Then tell me, why is our offense so frustratingly bad in the second half when we're in "run out the clock" mode? Are you going to give a case by case excuse for each of those games? You know why that always leads to frustrating playoff losses? Because playoff QBs with their backs against the wall find ways to claw back into games the instant you let your guard down. It may have squeaked us by shitty victories against SF, Denver, Jacksonville... but then the shit bites us in the ass and we hand the ball back to Philip Rivers in a playoff-like situation, then we act surprised.

And I didn't blame the first 2 losses on Reid. Some things I didn't love, but his approach was aggressive. I've been consistently frustrated specifically at games where we turtle up on offense in the 2nd half like clockwork.

Because the one thing you can't deny is that in each of the games I referenced, we were really really bad on offense at exactly the moment we looked like we had command of a big lead. Meanwhile we've been consistently outstanding this year in the 2nd half on offense with our back against the wall.