Chiefs Andy Reid may not be right coach for Chiefs - Page 2

oaklandhater · 01-08-2018, 08:49 PM

http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...ach-for-chiefs

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Andy Reid was hailed as a hero shortly after joining the Kansas City Chiefs as head coach in 2013, and why not? Reid took a team that had been the worst in the league the year before, and not only won his first nine games but guided the Chiefs into the playoffs.

Reid's star barely dimmed in Kansas City as he took the Chiefs to the playoffs in each of the past three seasons. He even won a playoff game two years ago, the Chiefs' first postseason victory in 22 years.

The free pass for Reid should be over now.

Reid guided Kansas City in Saturday's 22-21 playoff loss to the Tennessee Titans at Arrowhead Stadium. The Chiefs led by 18 points at halftime and collapsed after that.

This makes Reid 1-4 with the Chiefs in the playoffs, and the latest defeat was not the first big blown lead of the bunch. The Chiefs had the Colts down 38-10 in the third quarter in the playoffs after the 2013 season and they lost that one, too.

Reid's two blown leads of 18 points or more in the playoffs are as many as every other coach in the NFL since 1933.

This latest loss stings more than the one against the Colts. That one was bad, but at least it happened on the road and in Reid's first season, with a team that was not yet complete in his image.

This time the Chiefs wasted a big playoff lead at home. They did it with a team that was supposedly built not just to get into the playoffs but advance in them.

Quarterback Alex Smith acknowledged afterward that the 2017 Chiefs underachieved, and it's hard to argue with him on that point.

Beyond the blown leads, Reid is costing the Chiefs in the playoffs in other ways. His game management has been a problem at times in the postseason. The Chiefs were deliberate offensively despite being down by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter of a game in New England two years ago. They eventually scored a touchdown but took so much time in doing so they had no choice but to try an onside kick to keep the ball.

With the Patriots aware it was coming, the tactic failed and the Chiefs lost.

Trailing the Titans by a point with two minutes to go in the fourth quarter, the Chiefs tried to convert on fourth-and-9 from the Tennessee 44 with all three timeouts remaining. Smith's pass for Albert Wilson was incomplete and the Chiefs were doomed, never to get the ball back.

It's important to remember here how bad the Chiefs were when Reid arrived. They were a forlorn franchise that won no more than four games in four of the six previous seasons. They were barely competitive in each of their two playoff games before his arrival.

He was hired to provide some much-needed stability and Reid has accomplished that. The Chiefs have made the playoffs in four of his five seasons. They've won back-to-back division titles for the first time in franchise history.

That counts for something. But its meaning loses impact when the Chiefs continually can't budge beyond their opening playoff game. They did that once, two years ago against a dismal opponent in the Houston Texans.

Reid at this juncture looks like a coach who is good enough to get the Chiefs to the playoffs but not beyond. That's why they have to take a moment or two to ponder whether he's still the right guy for the job.

**Bwana** · 01-08-2018, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Disagree that it's gibberish. Agree he's not going anywhere.

Well ok then.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-08-2018, 09:19 PM

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Fish · 01-08-2018, 09:26 PM

Andy is a great coach on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays, and Saturdays. Gamedays are kind of a crap shoot though. With the correct coordinators and power balance, I think he could really propel a team to greatness. Hopefully we can hit the sweet spot over the next few years, because we clearly have the QB in Mahomes to make the offensive part easier...

splatbass · 01-08-2018, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

Reid will never change. What we're experiencing is the exact same thing Philly fans experienced when they started calling for his head. I'm ready to move on from him even if it means a complete rebuild.

Do you not remember the futility of 2-14 seasons? Why would anyone want to go back to that?

CaliforniaChief · 01-08-2018, 10:33 PM

We know Andy can get to the Super Bowl.

Since he's not getting fired, the three biggest things that can help him are:

1. Mahomes gets the keys. Talent, ability, cap space, draft picks for Alex, etc.
2. An OC that Andy is willing to hand the keys of play calling over to.
3. A DC that can actually bring out the best in our players and pressure QB's.

Reerun_KC · 01-08-2018, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

28 other teams would kill to have Andy.

They can have him

RippedmyFlesh · 01-09-2018, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I thought there was no difference between 4-12 and a first round exit? By straightforward reasoning, we've already started going 4-12.

There is not much of a difference. Chiefs go 4-12 with terrible hc then first round exit with above average coach and basically same team. So your post makes absolutely no sense as always. But keep trying.

**007** · 01-09-2018, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

We know Andy can get to the Super Bowl.

Since he's not getting fired, the three biggest things that can help him are:

1. Mahomes gets the keys. Talent, ability, cap space, draft picks for Alex, etc.
2. An OC that Andy is willing to hand the keys of play calling over to.
3. A DC that can actually bring out the best in our players and pressure QB's.

Number 2 will never happen under Andy.

LiveSteam · 01-09-2018, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

How quickly some forget the Haley/Gunther/Crennel/Herm years. It could get a lot worse.

And Rhonda could beat Floyd

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-09-2018, 12:21 AM

Alex Smith is a curse

**bevischief** · 01-09-2018, 02:22 AM

We done. Kill them in points.

Kman34 · 01-09-2018, 07:43 AM

I am just tired... I could care less what happens in the regular season... Playoff wins is all I care about now and if Andy can’t deliver that .. then his fat ass can hit the road...

Mile High Mania · 01-09-2018, 08:25 AM

Andy Reid isn't a terrible coach... but, I think he's a rung below guys like Reeves or Marty. Reid started off fairly well with his playoff record, but once McNabb was done... he's been relatively flat. Maybe he would be tied with Marty, but what does that really say?

I think Reid has taken KC as far as he can take them... What would McDaniels in his second stint as a HC with a guy like PM accomplish? At some point Josh will get another shot, I'm sure he's learned from his mistakes in Denver... I think it will be interesting to see when he gets his next chance.

Sassy Squatch · 01-09-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Andy Reid isn't a terrible coach... but, I think he's a rung below guys like Reeves or Marty. Reid started off fairly well with his playoff record, but once McNabb was done... he's been relatively flat. Maybe he would be tied with Marty, but what does that really say?

I think Reid has taken KC as far as he can take them... What would McDaniels in his second stint as a HC with a guy like PM accomplish? At some point Josh will get another shot, I'm sure he's learned from his mistakes in Denver... I think it will be interesting to see when he gets his next chance.

This is the end of the line for me. Just hope Mahomes can pull the Reid regime out of the fire.

staylor26 · 01-09-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Andy Reid isn't a terrible coach... but, I think he's a rung below guys like Reeves or Marty. Reid started off fairly well with his playoff record, but once McNabb was done... he's been relatively flat. Maybe he would be tied with Marty, but what does that really say?

I think Reid has taken KC as far as he can take them... What would McDaniels in his second stint as a HC with a guy like PM accomplish? At some point Josh will get another shot, I'm sure he's learned from his mistakes in Denver... I think it will be interesting to see when he gets his next chance.

Lol says the guy who’s team won a SB with Gary ****ing Kubiak and got to another with John Fox.

01-08-2018, 08:49 PM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $7458993	Andy Reid may not be right coach for Chiefs http://www.espn.com/blog/kansas-city...ach-for-chiefs KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Andy Reid was hailed as a hero shortly after joining the Kansas City Chiefs as head coach in 2013, and why not? Reid took a team that had been the worst in the league the year before, and not only won his first nine games but guided the Chiefs into the playoffs. Reid's star barely dimmed in Kansas City as he took the Chiefs to the playoffs in each of the past three seasons. He even won a playoff game two years ago, the Chiefs' first postseason victory in 22 years. The free pass for Reid should be over now. Reid guided Kansas City in Saturday's 22-21 playoff loss to the Tennessee Titans at Arrowhead Stadium. The Chiefs led by 18 points at halftime and collapsed after that. This makes Reid 1-4 with the Chiefs in the playoffs, and the latest defeat was not the first big blown lead of the bunch. The Chiefs had the Colts down 38-10 in the third quarter in the playoffs after the 2013 season and they lost that one, too. Reid's two blown leads of 18 points or more in the playoffs are as many as every other coach in the NFL since 1933. This latest loss stings more than the one against the Colts. That one was bad, but at least it happened on the road and in Reid's first season, with a team that was not yet complete in his image. This time the Chiefs wasted a big playoff lead at home. They did it with a team that was supposedly built not just to get into the playoffs but advance in them. Quarterback Alex Smith acknowledged afterward that the 2017 Chiefs underachieved, and it's hard to argue with him on that point. Beyond the blown leads, Reid is costing the Chiefs in the playoffs in other ways. His game management has been a problem at times in the postseason. The Chiefs were deliberate offensively despite being down by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter of a game in New England two years ago. They eventually scored a touchdown but took so much time in doing so they had no choice but to try an onside kick to keep the ball. With the Patriots aware it was coming, the tactic failed and the Chiefs lost. Trailing the Titans by a point with two minutes to go in the fourth quarter, the Chiefs tried to convert on fourth-and-9 from the Tennessee 44 with all three timeouts remaining. Smith's pass for Albert Wilson was incomplete and the Chiefs were doomed, never to get the ball back. It's important to remember here how bad the Chiefs were when Reid arrived. They were a forlorn franchise that won no more than four games in four of the six previous seasons. They were barely competitive in each of their two playoff games before his arrival. He was hired to provide some much-needed stability and Reid has accomplished that. The Chiefs have made the playoffs in four of his five seasons. They've won back-to-back division titles for the first time in franchise history. That counts for something. But its meaning loses impact when the Chiefs continually can't budge beyond their opening playoff game. They did that once, two years ago against a dismal opponent in the Houston Texans. Reid at this juncture looks like a coach who is good enough to get the Chiefs to the playoffs but not beyond. That's why they have to take a moment or two to ponder whether he's still the right guy for the job.
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Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $3397229	Andy Reid isn't a terrible coach... but, I think he's a rung below guys like Reeves or Marty. Reid started off fairly well with his playoff record, but once McNabb was done... he's been relatively flat. Maybe he would be tied with Marty, but what does that really say? I think Reid has taken KC as far as he can take them... What would McDaniels in his second stint as a HC with a guy like PM accomplish? At some point Josh will get another shot, I'm sure he's learned from his mistakes in Denver... I think it will be interesting to see when he gets his next chance. __________________
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