Chiefs I think it's gonna be Barkley. - Page 2

Chris Meck · 11-13-2012, 01:05 PM

I think that Smith has more obvious physical ability, but there are real questions about offensive system he's in and his performance against real competition.

Barkley's a good bet to at least be a solid NFL QB. Intangibles are all there, and he's run a pro style offense for 4 years.

I think people are making too big of a deal about his arm being weak; it's not weak, it's just not elite. He's super accurate, though.

suds79 · 11-13-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Mobility & scrambling ability are not one in the same.

Agree. Definitely a difference.

But I'd say Tom Brady is just about as immobile as it gets. He still manages.

I just don't think mobility will be an issue for Barkley.

Chiefnj2 · 11-13-2012, 01:28 PM

Smith and Wilson are better under pressure than Barkley.

ToxSocks · 11-13-2012, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Agree. Definitely a difference.

But I'd say Tom Brady is just about as immobile as it gets. He still manages.

I just don't think mobility will be an issue for Barkley.

I dont think so either. All three are young with fresh legs and can move around in the pocket. Though i think Smith really needs to work on his pocket awareness.

ToxSocks · 11-13-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Smith and Wilson are better under pressure than Barkley.

I disagree.

I think production under pressure is Smith's biggest concern.

Hoover · 11-13-2012, 01:29 PM

If Geno is there we will draft him.

ToxSocks · 11-13-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

If Geno is there we will draft him.

Don't be so sure. We won't know till the Senior Bowl.

Buckweath · 11-13-2012, 01:30 PM

1. Geno
2. Barkley
3. Wilson

**alnorth** · 11-13-2012, 01:31 PM

Barkley is surrounded by much better talent than Geno, and Geno is still out-performing Barkley. If Geno's gone, fine but if he's there, he's the easy pick over Barkley.

Chiefnj2 · 11-13-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

I disagree.

I think production under pressure is Smith's biggest concern.

Watch the Stanford clips and even Syracuse this year. Barkley's system protects him a lot. Against Syracuse I'd say 70% of his passes were 2 yards down field or less. He makes some boneheaded plays under pressure.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-13-2012, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Don't be so sure. We won't know till the Senior Bowl.

I doubt Smith plays in the senior bowl if he's projected to be a first round pick.

MIAdragon · 11-13-2012, 01:32 PM

Chris Meck · 11-13-2012, 01:32 PM

I'd be okay with any of the three, but I think that for a franchise that hasn't taken a QB in round 1 for 30 years Barkley is the best bet.

I think his mobility is fine. He's not a statue. I think his arm strength is fine, but I really like his accuracy, decision making, and reputation as a high intangibles guy. Little chance of him 'Leafing out'. I think Matt Ryan is a good comparison.

Don't tell me you wouldn't take Matt Ryan.

suds79 · 11-13-2012, 01:33 PM

This is a weird year for QBs for me. As long as the Chiefs get one of the 3, I'll be happy. But I feel like they're all so different.

Matt Barkley - Safest bet IMO. Seems like your standard pure pocket NFL passer. Average NFL arm. Not bad. But average.
(but has Marqise Lee to throw to)

Tyler Wilson - Tough. I think possibly strongest arm.
(Who's Tyler throwing to?)

Geno Smith - Overall highest upside skill set wise.
(but has Tavon Austin to throw to)

take your pick.

ToxSocks · 11-13-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

Barkley is surrounded by much better talent than Geno, and Geno is still out-performing Barkley. If Geno's gone, fine but if he's there, he's the easy pick over Barkley.

They both have a pretty damn good WR who bails them out.

It's to early for me to say who is the better QB. I'd rather wait till have all the information and see them perform in their Bowls before i give my definitive answer on who's best.

Right now, i prefer Wilson, but i don't KNOW that he's the better candidate.

Chiefnj2 · 11-13-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I'd be okay with any of the three, but I think that for a franchise that hasn't taken a QB in round 1 for 30 years Barkley is the best bet.

I think his mobility is fine. He's not a statue. I think his arm strength is fine, but I really like his accuracy, decision making, and reputation as a high intangibles guy. Little chance of him 'Leafing out'. I think Matt Ryan is a good comparison.

Don't tell me you wouldn't take Matt Ryan.

Why is the Matt Ryan comparison more accurate than comparing him to Sanchez or Leinert?

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Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $374910	I think it's gonna be Barkley. I think that Smith has more obvious physical ability, but there are real questions about offensive system he's in and his performance against real competition. Barkley's a good bet to at least be a solid NFL QB. Intangibles are all there, and he's run a pro style offense for 4 years. I think people are making too big of a deal about his arm being weak; it's not weak, it's just not elite. He's super accurate, though.
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alnorth . Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $57156239	Barkley is surrounded by much better talent than Geno, and Geno is still out-performing Barkley. If Geno's gone, fine but if he's there, he's the easy pick over Barkley. __________________ how many emo kids does it take to change a lightbulb? HOW MANY?! none they just sit in the dark and cry
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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	This is a weird year for QBs for me. As long as the Chiefs get one of the 3, I'll be happy. But I feel like they're all so different. Matt Barkley - Safest bet IMO. Seems like your standard pure pocket NFL passer. Average NFL arm. Not bad. But average. (but has Marqise Lee to throw to) Tyler Wilson - Tough. I think possibly strongest arm. (Who's Tyler throwing to?) Geno Smith - Overall highest upside skill set wise. (but has Tavon Austin to throw to) take your pick.
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