Bob Sutton sucks, say Jets fans

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/...he-kansas-city

Goodness gracious, what an awful decision that would be for the Chiefs.

You probably remember Sutton's run as Jets defensive coordinator under Eric Mangini from 2006 to 2008. The Jets never had a defense ranked higher than 16th. The scheme was unimaginative.

Sutton didn't blitz much, and when he did, it was terribly designed. This all led to a demotion when Rex Ryan came aboard.

As you all know, playing with largely the same personnel and without the best player Sutton had, Kris Jenkins, for most of the year the Jets had the number one defense in the league the year after Sutton left the defensive coordinator post.

With all of the good coaches the Jets have on defense, Andy Reid is going to hire the one bad coach.

[Deberg_1990]

I wonder if Sutton is going to be like a Clancy Pendergast? Basically a stopgap until someone better is available?

[RustShack]

Just because Mangini sucked, doesn't mean Sutton did. Plus he's running a D more like the one he learned from Rex anyways. Not the one he was thrown into and learning from Mangini.

[ArrowheadMagic]

He was also trying to run a 34 with 43 personnel. Time will tell what type of hire this is/was. A lot to be excited about, but there was a lot to be excited about 4 yrs ago.

[Easy 6]

I didnt listen to jets fans when they came here and said we'd end up hating Herm, so my ears are open to this criticism.

Lets just hope the guy is better at his job than he was several years ago, that doesnt seem like too much to hope for, and beyond that maybe Reid will press for more aggression.

I'll let him call a few games before calling for his execution.

[CoMoChief]

While I'm not thrilled about the hire.....Jets fans are some of the biggest morons in all of professional sports.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by scott free

I didnt listen to jets fans when they came here and said we'd end up hating Herm, so my ears are open to this criticism.

Lets just hope the guy is better at his job than he was several years ago, that doesnt seem like too much to hope for, and beyond that maybe Reid will press for more aggression.

I'll let him call a few games before calling for his execution.

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!!

[notorious]

I am not going to defend a guy I have not watched much of.


Remember when Gunther went to Detroit?

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by scott free

I didnt listen to jets fans when they came here and said we'd end up hating Herm, so my ears are open to this criticism.

Lets just hope the guy is better at his job than he was several years ago, that doesnt seem like too much to hope for, and beyond that maybe Reid will press for more aggression.

I'll let him call a few games before calling for his execution.

You were actually excited about Herm at first?

my god....I hated the hire as soon as the rumors starting coming out that we'd be the ones to hire him. And we traded a draft pick for him (NYJ used for Leon Washington IIRC)

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

You were actually excited about Herm at first?

my god....I hated the hire as soon as the rumors starting coming out that we'd be the ones to hire him. And we traded a draft pick for him (NYJ used for Leon Washington IIRC)

I was, he'd had some winning years up there, he came in promising top notch defense, a punishing run game and wasnt going to be afraid to put speedy youth on the field.

[morphius]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

You were actually excited about Herm at first?

my god....I hated the hire as soon as the rumors starting coming out that we'd be the ones to hire him. And we traded a draft pick for him (NYJ used for Leon Washington IIRC)

The worst part about making the Herm hire was the fact that the year before trading for him we completely annihilated his unprepared team. Carl always had a thing for picking up players that beat hist team which I can sort of see. But, hiring a coach that had no idea how to stop your team or score against your team? blech.

I guess you can add me to the list of not being impressed with the DC hire, was hoping we would get someone who truly had earned owning that entire part of the team

[RustShack]

It's hard to find good coaches... They either have a job or are being promoted to HC. Sutton is like the up and coming DC people claim to want, except he's not young. But he's still an unknown. And has a lot of experience in a lot of different schemes. Reminds me of a Chan Gailey that's been around and will know how to adapt to players.

[cyborgtable]

He wasn't a good DC for the Jets, and the linebackers were the biggest weakness under Rex but you have better players to run Rex's scheme than the Jets do. We never had a decent let alone good pass-rusher and you have 2. I'm happy to see him go but I don't think he is a bad fit for you guys

[DaWolf]

It is possible he will suck, but maybe time and personnel will help. We shall see.

I wasn't thrilled when Gary Gibbs took over for Romeo because Gibbs run as DC in New Orleans was horrific. But he did a half decent job here.

Who knows. In my mind Gunther is a pathetic DC, but he did a good job when he was coaching under Marty with the talent here. Sometimes talent and circumstance help. And sometimes guys just suck. Sutton has a lot to prove to me...

[The Bad Guy]

The lack of a true outside pass rusher was the biggest weakness for the Jets.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by cyborgtable

He wasn't a good DC for the Jets, and the linebackers were the biggest weakness under Rex but you have better players to run Rex's scheme than the Jets do. We never had a decent let alone good pass-rusher and you have 2. I'm happy to see him go but I don't think he is a bad fit for you guys

You mean Mangini wasn't a good DC. Sutton had never ran that scheme before, so anyone with half a brain would know he wasn't the one running it.