Let's talk Wide Receivers

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I typically agree with this sentiment, but I'm not sure Mecole Hardman and Sky Moore are making me feel comfortable with that plan as representatives of the 2nd round. Sure guys, we coulda taken George Pickens and I would probably feel better about 2nd round WRs and our WR Core then, but we didn't, so I think it might be worth a swing at a surer thing in the 1st if we can find one. I just feel like finding Mahomes a young star WR would be the biggest impact we could add to the team over the next 5 years.

Where do you guys think we would find the most impact with a draft pick? Filling a position of need or taking a position of strength over the top?

The bust rate in the 1st at WR is extraordinarily high. Nearly to the point that it brings into question even taking one there.

If all else is equal right now, fix RT.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The bust rate in the 1st at WR is extraordinarily high. Nearly to the point that it brings into question even taking one there.

If all else is equal right now, fix RT.

Yes.

And in this offense, which is notoriously difficult to master in one season, we shouldn't go nuts in any one offseason. We should take ONE mid-rounder every year with whatever body type/play-style we feel can contribute, but expect that year one is essentially a 'get your feet wet' kind of season.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I typically agree with this sentiment, but I'm not sure Mecole Hardman and Sky Moore are making me feel comfortable with that plan as representatives of the 2nd round. Sure guys, we coulda taken George Pickens and I would probably feel better about 2nd round WRs and our WR Core then, but we didn't, so I think it might be worth a swing at a surer thing in the 1st if we can find one. I just feel like finding Mahomes a young star WR would be the biggest impact we could add to the team over the next 5 years.

Where do you guys think we would find the most impact with a draft pick? Filling a position of need or taking a position of strength over the top?

I'm in the 'keep the offense elite, give Mahomes weapons, screw the rest" camp...but sometimes you've got to accept and respond to what's there. This isn't a good year for WRs in FA or the draft. I essentially agree that getting an elite WR could be more impactful than just about anything else, i just don't think that's happening this year.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I'm in the 'keep the offense elite, give Mahomes weapons, screw the rest" camp...but sometimes you've got to accept and respond to what's there. This isn't a good year for WRs in FA or the draft. I essentially agree that getting an elite WR could be more impactful than just about anything else, i just don't think that's happening this year.

See, I just think that this season is the ultimate argument AGAINST that.

Especially when it's a question of PAYING that 'elite' WR.

If you draft one, and he develops as such, then cool, great.

But having a group with diverse skillsets is just fine, and not a problem, in my opinion.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

See, I just think that this season is the ultimate argument AGAINST that.

Especially when it's a question of PAYING that 'elite' WR.

If you draft one, and he develops as such, then cool, great.

But having a group with diverse skillsets is just fine, and not a problem, in my opinion.

Totally get it. I'm not 100% confident of my own argument. If you told me you thought an elite DE is more impactful, yep, I can see that. But having middling WRs is about as manageable as having a poor RT imo. We can win a lot of games with these because Pat is good enough to work round poor OT and WR play. Maybe a quality DE gives him the ball back more, I could see that argument.

Either way I think we end at the same place. We're probably not prioritising WR in FA or the 1st round of the draft.

[OKchiefs]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I typically agree with this sentiment, but I'm not sure Mecole Hardman and Sky Moore are making me feel comfortable with that plan as representatives of the 2nd round. Sure guys, we coulda taken George Pickens and I would probably feel better about 2nd round WRs and our WR Core then, but we didn't, so I think it might be worth a swing at a surer thing in the 1st if we can find one. I just feel like finding Mahomes a young star WR would be the biggest impact we could add to the team over the next 5 years.

Where do you guys think we would find the most impact with a draft pick? Filling a position of need or taking a position of strength over the top?

It’s it about the round, it’s about the talent evaluation. KC hasn’t proven to be able to evaluate WRs at all under Veach. They weren’t great either under Dorsey outside of lucking in to Hill.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kccrow

A guy has to be a pretty eye-popping talent for me to say grab a WR in the first. It's a lot like RB to me. You can get really good ones in round 2. I don't know if it's a necessity for this team either.

If the obvious value falls, I'm good with it. Say a guy like Jaxon Smith-Njigba falls, yeah go ahead. I'm high on Hyatt as well, I think he has some game-changing speed and is a really solid WR to boot.

Otherwise, I think there is a lot of value in round 2 types this year. Xavier Hutchinson, Rashee Rice, Marvin Mims, Rakeem Jarrett, A.T. Perry, etc. I wouldn't go chasing one down.

I think you have to at least address RT and D-Line early though. I guess I'm really more on seeing who falls through the cracks in the 3rd round and maybe even making a move there. The kid from Cincinnati intrigues me.

Pretty much my feeling. I wouldn't be surprised if a decent if limited prospect falls to our 3rd pick. They're not going to be elite but they could be solid contributors.

[Dull Tools]

Originally Posted by kccrow

A guy has to be a pretty eye-popping talent for me to say grab a WR in the first. It's a lot like RB to me. You can get really good ones in round 2. I don't know if it's a necessity for this team either.

If the obvious value falls, I'm good with it. Say a guy like Jaxon Smith-Njigba falls, yeah go ahead. I'm high on Hyatt as well, I think he has some game-changing speed and is a really solid WR to boot.

Otherwise, I think there is a lot of value in round 2 types this year. Xavier Hutchinson, Rashee Rice, Marvin Mims, Rakeem Jarrett, A.T. Perry, etc. I wouldn't go chasing one down.

I think you have to at least address RT and D-Line early though. I guess I'm really more on seeing who falls through the cracks in the 3rd round and maybe even making a move there. The kid from Cincinnati intrigues me.

The gap in talent is normally quite big between the WRs taken at the beginning and end of the 2nd round though.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Dull Tools

The gap in talent is normally quite big between the WRs taken at the beginning and end of the 2nd round though.

I really don't think so, honestly. Maybe there are a few examples of that but not from a general historical perspective. Here are the past 10 years of drafts. I'd argue the best spot is in the mid-40s to mid-50s but it's really more of a general crapshoot as to where. I've bolded some of the better receivers, not that there aren't some other solid players in there.

2012
2-43 Stephen Hill
2-45 Alshon Jeffery
2-54 Ryan Broyles
2-63 Rueben Randle

2013
2-34 Justin Hunter
2-41 Robert Woods
2-59 Aaron Dobson

2014
2-39 Marqise Lee
2-42 Jordan Matthews
2-45 Paul Richardson
2-53 Devante Adams
2-56 Cody Latimer
2-61 Allen Robinson
2-63 Jarvis Landry

2015
2-37 Devin Smith
2-40 Dorial Green-Beckham
2-41 Devin Funchess

2016
2-40 Sterling Shepard
2-47 Michael Thomas
2-55 Tyler Boyd

2017
2-37 Zay Jones
2-40 Curtis Samuel
2-62 JuJu Smith-Schuster

2018
2-40 Courtland Sutton
2-44 Dante Pettis
2-47 Christian Kirk
2-51 Anthony Miller
2-60 James Washington
2-61 D.J. Chark

2019
2-36 Deebo Samuel
2-51 A.J. Brown
2-56 Mecole Hardman
2-57 J.J. Arcega-Whiteside
2-59 Parris Campbell
2-62 Andy Isabella
2-64 D.K. Metcalf

2020
2-33 Tee Higgins
2-34 Michael Pittman, Jr.
2-42 Laviska Shenault
2-46 K.J. Hamler
2-49 Chase Claypool
2-57 Van Jefferson
2-59 Denzel Mims

2021
2-34 Elijah Moore
2-49 Rondale Moore
2-56 D'Wayne Eskridge
2-57 Tutu Atwell
2-59 Terrace Marshall, Jr.

2022
2-34 Christian Watson
2-43 Wan'Dale Robinson
2-44 John Metchie III
2-50 Tyquan Thornton
2-52 George Pickens
2-53 Alec Pierce
2-54 Skyy Moore

[Couch-Potato]

Just for fun... Spotrac suggests JuJu is only worth $15m a year, Hopkins is set to make $20m next year and $15m the year after but wants a new deal. Maybe give them equal but opposite deals? JuJu gets' something like $15m, $17.5m, & $20m for future growth and Hopkins gets $20m, $17.5m, and $15m for his decline according to their ages? Probably have to throw in some more upside for Hopkins deal. But together, that's pretty much what MIA pays just Tyreek. I think it's fun to imagine, but both will likely want more, but if you could spend a 3rd on a known star like Hopkins you don't have to gamble on a 1st RD WR. This would make us beyond elite for the next 3 years.

[Coogs]

Trey Palmer from Nebraska might be a guy to keep an eye on somewhere on day 2. Transfered up from LSU last year. Played behind Jefferson and Chase. Had a big year at NU for a bad team.

6-1 and run a 4.44. Dude looked legit in the games I watched.

[alanm]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Trey Palmer from Nebraska might be a guy to keep an eye on somewhere on day 2. Transfered up from LSU last year. Played behind Jefferson and Chase. Had a big year at NU for a bad team.

6-1 and run a 4.44. Dude looked legit in the games I watched.

Shhhhhhhhhh. I'm hoping Bum Verch has him on his I Pad. But he's not going to remain a secret after the combine.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Trey Palmer from Nebraska might be a guy to keep an eye on somewhere on day 2. Transfered up from LSU last year. Played behind Jefferson and Chase. Had a big year at NU for a bad team.

6-1 and run a 4.44. Dude looked legit in the games I watched.

Knock on him is he's not very physical and a raw route runner

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Just for fun... Spotrac suggests JuJu is only worth $15m a year, Hopkins is set to make $20m next year and $15m the year after but wants a new deal. Maybe give them equal but opposite deals? JuJu gets' something like $15m, $17.5m, & $20m for future growth and Hopkins gets $20m, $17.5m, and $15m for his decline according to their ages? Probably have to throw in some more upside for Hopkins deal. But together, that's pretty much what MIA pays just Tyreek. I think it's fun to imagine, but both will likely want more, but if you could spend a 3rd on a known star like Hopkins you don't have to gamble on a 1st RD WR. This would make us beyond elite for the next 3 years.

Absolutely not to post 30 year old receivers that are expensive.

And while I might well pay Juju what he's earned, I would not plan on there being much more growth. He is what he is at this point, which is a useful player, but not likely to become something else.

[ntexascardfan]

I know we have heart burn from drafting CEH, but I think Bijan Robinson should be someone we consider if he's there.

He's a guy that can be used frequently in the slot as well as RB. He feels more like a Deebo Samuel chess piece than a full fledged RB. You could have him + Pacheco on the field at the same time without sacrificing quality or scheme.