***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Ebolapox

well jeez, maybe if we'd socially distanced and taken measures less than 100k would've died. you're cool with that many americans dead so we could get woodstock (not at all a success other than culturally mostly by people who weren't there--most who were there were miserable) and the moon landing (quick check: most watched from home. on tv. we could do that now both technologically AND with social distancing).

cool. 100k died in 1968-69. let's not socially distance so the 80k TOTAL IN LESS THAN FIVE MONTHS (you know, 1968-1969, 100k deaths... more than 24 months. 5 months 80k is way more dangerous, in case your logic board failed) can increase.


totally cool. this is fine.

If it had been taken seriously in January instead of March we'd likely be done with this already and have way better numbers...but hey you wait around and you **** up.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by staylor26

We can’t make exceptions for those kinds of jobs and just deal with the consequences? If the rest of the population is still doing that, I don’t see how we can’t.

I am talking about the players. You can't social distance in the NBA or NFL and the player's union would have to agree to it.

Also you could have certain state governments that may prohibit such activities until it is safe.

So I wouldn't get my hopes up unless this virus just dies out here in the summer.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m not cherry picking anything. Everybody I see saying no football/sports is saying we have to wait on a vaccine. That’s literally all I’m seeing.

You didn’t answer my question.

Other than waiting on a vaccine, why else would we still be hiding inside months from now?

Which makes more sense:

1) Opening up when new cases are increasing.

2) Opening up when new cases are decreasing.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I still feel the biggest issue we have is we can't just pick something and do it, we have a population that has a huge number of people that will always be difficult no matter what is going on.

We're also a society that has a complete lack of patience, instant gratification that has been trained over the last 10 or so years has caused all that and with something like this having patience is needed.

tl;dr

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Mecca

If it had been taken seriously in January instead of March we'd likely be done with this already and have way better numbers...but hey you wait around and you **** up.

January? You mean when we were told there was no evidence of human to human transmission? We needed information last year, way before we got it, to do anything about it to prevent this.

[Mecca]

At this point I hope we don't see spikes in numbers where things are opening up, if we do that leads to 1 of 2 decisions and they both suck ass...

1. Another prolonged lockdown

2. **** it, if people die they die.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

January? You mean when we were told there was no evidence of human to human transmission? We needed information last year, way before we got it, to do anything about it to prevent this.

Just simply saying we we're late to the party and treated it as laughable and this is the result we got for it.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I am talking about the players. You can't social distance in the NBA or NFL and the player's union would have to agree to it.

Also you could have certain state governments that may prohibit such activities until it is safe.

So I wouldn't get my hopes up unless this virus just dies out here in the summer.

NFL has a lot of 300+ lbs dudes that could be considered high risk as well.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

January? You mean when we were told there was no evidence of human to human transmission? We needed information last year, way before we got it, to do anything about it to prevent this.

We should have locked down when it was confirmed we had community spread here.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Donger

Which makes more sense:

1) Opening up when new cases are increasing.

2) Opening up when new cases are decreasing.

Umm I don’t see what this has to do with what I’m asking.

I’m not talking about now.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Monticore

NFL has a lot of 300+ lbs dudes that could be considered high risk as well.

The NFL has a ton of dudes with sleep apnea something tells me they'd be high risk.

[TLO]

The numbers on Worldomoters seem very off.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Umm I don’t see what this has to do with what I’m asking.

I’m not talking about now.

You seem to be a proponent of opening everything up now. Is that not correct?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m not cherry picking anything. Literally anybody I see saying no football/sports is saying we have to wait on a vaccine. That’s literally all I’m seeing.

You didn’t answer my question.

Other than waiting on a vaccine, why else would we still be hiding inside months from now?

1)You seem to be conflating a lack of the NFL with hiding inside. They are not synonomous.

2) Peter King is not an epidemiologist, nor is Albert Breer, or anyone at the NFL Network, ESPN, or WHB that I'm aware of.

3) No one in public health has said that we need to hide inside until there is a vaccine. What has been said quite often by people who have argued against public health measures is that those that wanted a shutdown think we need a full shutdown until the vaccine. It's a dishonest, bad faith argument made by those that have consistently underplayed the seriousness of the virus to make those urging for a more serious approach look like fearmongers.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by TLO

The numbers on Worldomoters seem very off.

It was just mothers day weekend so I assume that has some kind of effect.