***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Nascar starts next Sunday

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'll give you a smidge here just because you had a brief moment of reality

nothing i said was untrue, no matter what you think

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

The fact the study he is citing had no control group, and didn’t use Zpac or Zinc and was only used on people AFTER they were admitted to ER. And hasn’t been peer reviewed, still wanna defend it? I was told that wasn’t evidence....

/agenda

The control group was the group that didn't receive hydroxychloroquine, which was several hundred patients.

It was peer reviewed, which is why it was published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

Idiot.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Aat least Ii'm a dick that is smarter than you.

Little help for you, Professor.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

nothing i said was untrue, no matter what you think

No, it was just grossly oversimplified to the point of idiocy or a complete disconnection from reality.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Advanced age is a contributing risk factor for obesity, diabetes, and hypertension, but lifestyle is still the primary cause of these conditions.

Otherwise wouldn’t every older person automatically get those conditions?

No, there are plenty of healthy older people who are not obese, not diabetic and do not have hypertension because they make good lifestyle decisions and take care of their health.

I can tell you have never been around elderly people. How do you think these people die?

[sedated]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Many people in this world get COVID-19 and have minimal/no symptoms.

90% of the people who have complications from COVID-19 and drain hospital capacity have underlying health conditions that result from bad CHOICES.

Being obese, being diabetic (95% of diabetics in the US have the lifestyle-caused Type 2 version), and having hypertension... all conditions from bad lifestyle choices.

This is the biggest load of justification bullshit. Diabetes can come from lifestyle, but is also hereditary (all 3 diabetics I know were born with it). So is hypertension (I come from a long line of people with high blood pressure, I work out 4 times a week and cook most of my own meals, but still have to be on 3 meds to get it normal).

The others, like kidney disease and liver disease can come from a number of factors. The majority of cancer types are not based on our own decisions.

Being 60+ is not a "lifestyle choice".

Having that mindset is just a way to feel superior and justify decisions that put others at risk.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

at least im a dick that smarter than you.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by sedated

This is the biggest load of justification bullshit. Diabetes can come from lifestyle, but is also hereditary (all 3 diabetics I know were born with it). So is hypertension (I come from a long line of people with high blood pressure, I work out 4 times a week and cook most of my own meals, but still have to be on 3 meds to get it normal).

The others, like kidney disease and liver disease can come from a number of factors.

Being 60+ is not a "lifestyle choice".

I'm not even sure I've seen "obesity" as one of the underlying conditions, but nice of you to throw it in there to make it seem like its just fat slobs that are at risk.

Having that mindset is just a way to feel superior and justify decisions that put others at risk.

He just keeps repeating the same horseshit in this thread, post after post after post after post.

Trying to reason with him is a waste of your time.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I can tell you have never been around elderly people. How do you think these people die?

Apparently, as long as you're not overweight, the human body functions exactly the same at age 0 as it does age 100.

Only people that don't take care of their bodies die.

Duh.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by sedated

This is the biggest load of justification bullshit. Diabetes can come from lifestyle, but is also hereditary (all 3 diabetics I know were born with it).

Apparently you are unaware of the fact that 95% of diabetics in the US have Type 2 diabetes... caused by poor diet/lifestyle factors

Genetics is a bad excuse people use to justify shitty lifestyle decisions when it comes to obesity, diabetes, etc.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Apparently, as long as you're not overweight, the human body functions exactly the same at age 0 as it does age 100.

Only people that don't take care of their bodies die.

Duh.

omg this Sage wisdom will guide my life from now on!

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Apparently, as long as you're not overweight, the human body functions exactly the same at age 0 as it does age 100.

Only people that don't take care of their bodies die.

Duh.

pretty much. healthy elderly people..never met one and I have been around elderly people my whole life.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Apparently, as long as you're not overweight, the human body functions exactly the same at age 0 as it does age 100.

Only people that don't take care of their bodies die.

Duh.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Apparently you are unaware of the fact that 95% of diabetics in the US have Type 2 diabetes... caused by poor diet/lifestyle factors

Genetics is a bad excuse people use to justify shitty lifestyle decisions when it comes to obesity, diabetes, etc.

I am sure there are a lot of things about genetics you don’t know.