Report: Justin Jefferson Potentially on the Trade Block

[SHOWTIME]

������������: There is "steam" that the #Vikings could make WR Justin Jefferson available via trade, per @Charley_Walters pic.twitter.com/r8aLroBG2e

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) February 25, 2024

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

McKinnon too. He was vital that year and losing him hurt the offense badly.

Mahomes didn't play as well as he did the prior year, but he's not gonna be scorched Earth every year. No QB is.

I think the lack of talent hurt, but they got tired this year on offense. Every ****ing team treated us as our SB and not surprisingly the young guys (Pacheco/Rice) were the only ones pushing through at the skill positions due to youth.

Bring more youth and you'll see more success.

They don't play youth though. They're not gonna just load up with youth at WR. They'll bring in some vets.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

You just stopped posting. It wasn’t hard to observe that you had disappeared during the team’s most impressive stretch of the season.

He did get banned for a month from 1/8. It's in the mod transparency thread.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

He did get banned for a month from 1/8. It's in the mod transparency thread.

I clearly didn’t know that and I apologize to him for that.

But, our first interaction from the WRs thread was his saying this group couldn’t win a SB.

He was negative the entire season, we did win a SB, and he has the gall to pretend like he was even remotely in the right and has a leg to stand on. ****ing outrageous.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

He did get banned for a month from 1/8. It's in the mod transparency thread.

He clearly panicked just before the playoffs started and knew the quickest way to hide for the month was to call someone a pedo.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I clearly didn’t know that and I apologize to him for that.

But, our first interaction from the WRs thread was his saying this group couldn’t win a SB.

He was negative the entire season, we did win a SB, and he has the gall to pretend like he was even remotely in the right and has a leg to stand on. ****ing outrageous.

The actual reason he didn't post is even dumber than just taking his ball and going home. How hard can it possibly be to not insinuate other posters are pedophiles.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

He’s a less clever and more annoying BWillie. Miss that guy in times like these.

More like the Lone Iguana of the Lounge. So similar one almost has to wonder if they are the same guy.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

He’s a less clever and more annoying BWillie. Miss that guy in times like these.

Never thought about it but goddamnit that's a spot on comparison

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Three things I want to see for this franchise during the time we have Mahomes.

1. KC have more Lombardis than any other franchise (currently 3 away)

2. Mahomes to tie or break Brady's SB rings record.

3. Reid finish with as many rings as Bill with more playoff and regular season wins.

In order to do that this team need to be competitive year in and year out and not swing for the fences for a year or two at the cost of 2-3 down years to recover.

KC won the SB this year when by all rights they should not have. They did it because they have a very solid all around roster, an elite HC/QB/TE, and depth to offset injuries.

This is because KC made smart signings and drafted very well with a large number of picks. That gave KC the chance they needed in the playoffs where one game matters the most.

I will take that (or something along those lines) every year. Jefferson is elite, but his future salary plus the picks required for a trade for him would absolutely go against what KC has built.

Look at how Buffalo dealt with their injuries vs. how the Chiefs dealt with theirs. Night and day difference. No Cook? Ok, plug in this Conner guy and watch him work.

Kinda glad we had that 4th round rookie on our roster.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

It's the type of luxury move you can make when you have a stud QB on a rookie deal. That is not the Chiefs any more.

It's now a move you make when you HAVE to make a big move. If Kelce retires or really declines and the passing game doesn't have the juice you think it needs, then you look at moving up for a player you think is a sure thing for you, or trade for a proven commodity, or just go buy the best guy you can in FA.



Yes, you have 100 percent chance of obtaining Justin Jefferson, but he still has risks associated with him (injury, not performing at a level indicative of the market-setting deal). That factors in as well.

The bigger problem is your odds of getting a good player with each of those picks is better than 50 percent with this regime. Especially if you talk about round 1-4 picks.

2018-2023:
4 1st round picks. 1 superstar (McDuffie). 1 star (Karlaftis) 1 bust (Edwards-Helaire). 1 TBD who had a redshirt year at a deep unit. 67% hit rate
9 2nd round picks. 3 stars (Rice, Bolton, Humphrey). 4 good contributors (Cook, Gay, Thornhill, Hardman). 2 busts (Moore, Speaks). 75% hit rate

If we stop there, and look at the 12 1st and 2nd round picks you can put an honest evaluation on, the hit rate for STAR or better is 5/12, and you're at 9/12 for good contributors or better (compared to their draft slots). That's 75 percent at least being solid-starter level players, with 42% being stars or better.

The expectations for what you should get out of a pick change as you move down the rounds. But let's still look at those.

6 3rd round picks. 3 good contributors (Chenal, Saunders, Nnadi). 1 TBD (Morris). 1 average contributor (O'Daniel). 1 bust (Niang). 67% hit rate.
5 4th round picks 1 superstar (Sneed). 2 good contributors (Conner, still kind of TBD but he was excellent late in the year in an expanded role he earned, Joshua Williams). 1 average contributor (Armani Watts). 1 nonfactor (Kaindoh). 60% hit rate.
4 5th round picks 2 good contributors (Danna, Gray). 1 bust (Kinnard). 1 TBD (Thompson).
6 6th round picks 1 star (Trey Smith). 1 good contributor (Fenton). 2 average contributor (Tremon Smith, Thompson). 2 nonfactors (McKenzie, Coburn). 33% hit rate
6 7th round picks 1 star (Pacheco). 2 good contributors (Watson, Allegretti). 1 nonfactor (Keyes). 2 TBD (Jones, Johnson). 75% hit rate.

Every regime has busts. This regime has been better than a 50% average on hitting or exceeding the expectations of draft slot over 6 drafts; respective to ALL draft rounds, it hits at a higher rate than that in rounds 1-2, and it hits at a higher rate over the past 2 drafts especially.



The plan is to make smart investments at the receiver positions while Kelce is still here, and see how those develop/work.

If Kelce retires and they haven't identified someone who can take over as a top dog, THEN is the time to pull the emergency chute and do something drastic like trading draft capital for someone who wants a market-setting contract, or backing up the best offer to a free agent or etc.

The time to make that sort of move isn't necessarily NOW.

I'd still like to know where he got that 50% figure. I'd hate to think he was lazy and simply made it up.

[O.city]

In general, the Chiefs aren't likely to keep hitting drafts like they have the past 2/3. It's rare and it doesn't usually happen in the league.

They'll probably have a stinker or two. It happens.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I clearly didn’t know that and I apologize to him for that.

But, our first interaction from the WRs thread was his saying this group couldn’t win a SB.

He was negative the entire season, we did win a SB, and he has the gall to pretend like he was even remotely in the right and has a leg to stand on. ****ing outrageous.

My position was that we should be the SB favorite and our roster was loaded. That we should make sure the WR room does not bite us in the ass at the wrong time against an elite defense.

So add one or two vets that can catch the ball.

I think the events that then happened after Sept Oct confirmed what I was saying about the roster.

Luckily Veachs mismanaged WRs didn’t sink us. It also helped that Reid benched the 2 guys Veach thought would be the number 1 WR.

[Pitt Gorilla]

I feel like I'm missing something here; what did the Chiefs' receiving corps NOT do well during the post-season? Or, if you will, what did the vaunted Niners' group do so much better in the Super Bowl than the Chiefs' group?

How did the Ravens' group out-perform the Chiefs? How about the Bills? The Fins?

These are all supposedly strong skill position groups, so what did they do that our group didn't?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by O.city

In general, the Chiefs aren't likely to keep hitting drafts like they have the past 2/3. It's rare and it doesn't usually happen in the league.

They'll probably have a stinker or two. It happens.

So, are you also buying into that 50% number or do you have your own made-up benchmark?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

I feel like I'm missing something here; what did the Chiefs' receiving corps NOT do well during the post-season? Or, if you will, what did the vaunted Niners' group do so much better in the Super Bowl than the Chiefs' group?

How did the Ravens' group out-perform the Chiefs? How about the Bills? The Fins?

These are all supposedly strong skill position groups, so what did they do that our group didn't?

The Chiefs were better coached and had the all time great QB.

Basically the end

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Look at how Buffalo dealt with their injuries vs. how the Chiefs dealt with theirs. Night and day difference. No Cook? Ok, plug in this Conner guy and watch him work.

Kinda glad we had that 4th round rookie on our roster.

Remember when they lost their LB and replaced him with some street FA? I do remember Kelce having his way with him in that game. KC lost Bolton for some time in the season? Yup, plug and play Tranquil. KC’s probably losing Gay and it’s not considered a huge loss due to Chenel. That’s what depth and affordable contracts get you.