Chris Jones watch...

[Dante84]

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— Chris Jones (@StoneColdJones) March 9, 2024

[TEX]

Originally Posted by Jerm

I don't know how many are upset per se, I think we all just see the reality that if he gets to FA, he's probably going to get an offer that the Chiefs won't match.

For the record, I'm totally ok with that...I'd love to have CJ back but I also trust Veach and co. 100% to have a plan and make it work.

I do as well. The only thing that I'm not ok with is the fact that if he walks, KC gets nothing. (Except cap space). But that's only because I don't know plan B at this time.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because a line has to be drawn somewhere.

But ultimately the issue is that the only way we can really get this WRONG is if Jones gets paid and gets hurt or stops playing hard. And with Jones we've seen him stop playing hard for pretty prolonged periods of time. He's not above taking plays off.

That's a risk you have to consider.

Because ultimately not spending it on Jones doesn't mean it won't get spent. That cap space will get used on players and probably pretty damn good ones. If it's spent on a single guy, your risk of rolling snakeyes is a little higher.

And you can't just keep hitting 'bid' in these scenarios. If your puke point is $29 million, you can't just go "eh, another million won't hurt..." Set your number and stand by it. And if the deal doesn't get done, you have to move along.

That's where this frustration is coming from. The public statements for about 18 months have been along the lines of "we'll get this done..." and yet here we are. Still. With this not having gotten done.

Not to beat the point to death but if I keep hearing how optimistic they are and it doesn't get done it's going to be tough to believe anything else they say. Noit that anyone gives a shit what we believe but still.

[RunKC]

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[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TEX

I do as well. The only thing that I'm not ok with is the fact that if he walks, KC gets nothing. (Except cap space). But that's only because I don't know plan B at this time.

But again, letting him walk and getting nothing but cap space is a better scenario than paying him only to see him get hurt and/or shut it down having now gotten his 3rd big $$$$ deal.

It's just not common to see players continue to excel on their 3rd contract. It's just a question of motivation.

This isn't like the NBA where you have Bird rights that actually encourage you to 'overpay' for your own guys and allow you to go over the cap to get those deals done. Chris Jones is, for all intents and purposes, a free agent. Oh not formally, but it's how his agents are playing it. And if Jones were a free agent, we wouldn't be saying "Oh no, if we can't get him signed, we won't get any compensation..."

No - we'd just go onto the next possible option(s). And that's just not the end of the world. Veach has shot his shot here. He appears to have been extremely aggressive in terms of AAV and guaranteed dollars. If that's not good enough, then you just have to move on.

[el borracho]

It's not exactly "nothing;" if Jones walks it's a future 3rd.

[FlaChief58]

Have we signed this hall of fame piece of shit yet?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by el borracho

It's not exactly "nothing;" if Jones walks it's a future 3rd.

Eh - in all likelihood we'd sign other guys that end up offsetting that comp pick. We may still get something, but we're in win-now mode; we're spending up to the cap and likely doing so as aggressively as possible.

[Delano]

Originally Posted by el borracho

It's not exactly "nothing;" if Jones walks it's a future 3rd.

Maybe. It’s all a part of the formula, but not a guaranteed 3rd.

[Brooklyn]

really wish the NFL cap was like NBA. The incumbent team can sign a player for an extra year, which makes for a richer deal than all the players want. This often facilitates Sign & Trade where everyone gets something of value.

Or a cap apron they can go over to sign their own guys by paying some luxury tax.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

Not to beat the point to death but if I keep hearing how optimistic they are and it doesn't get done it's going to be tough to believe anything else they say. Noit that anyone gives a shit what we believe but still.

Until proven otherwise, his agents are gonna play hardball for top dollar. It's what they did last year. I assume they are hoping to get north of $32M per year from someone else in the market.

[Straight, No Chaser]

Originally Posted by FlaChief58

Have we signed this hall of fame piece of shit yet?

Shouldn't there be an announcement, like today? I don't have the patience to wait another 7,302 minutes until free agency begins

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because a line has to be drawn somewhere.

But ultimately the issue is that the only way we can really get this WRONG is if Jones gets paid and gets hurt or stops playing hard. And with Jones we've seen him stop playing hard for pretty prolonged periods of time. He's not above taking plays off.

That's a risk you have to consider.

Because ultimately not spending it on Jones doesn't mean it won't get spent. That cap space will get used on players and probably pretty damn good ones. If it's spent on a single guy, your risk of rolling snakeyes is a little higher.

And you can't just keep hitting 'bid' in these scenarios. If your puke point is $29 million, you can't just go "eh, another million won't hurt..." Set your number and stand by it. And if the deal doesn't get done, you have to move along.

That's where this frustration is coming from. The public statements for about 18 months have been along the lines of "we'll get this done..." and yet here we are. Still. With this not having gotten done.

Yeah, it's all about the risk.

And when you're in a Super Bowl window in the middle of a dynasty, the best way to blow it up is to take on too much risk.

Signing Christian Wilkins for $5-6M/AAV less than Jones, for example, and using the rest of that money to sign, say, Tair Tartt to go with him in the middle, gives you less ultimate upside (though still a pretty nice amount) but also much more floor.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by Delano

Maybe. It’s all a part of the formula, but not a guaranteed 3rd.

It's basically a high 4th.

For a HOF player.

If this is over 3 or 4 million you pay the man his money and move on. Play hardball with a player you can afford to lose...

[TEX]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But again, letting him walk and getting nothing but cap space is a better scenario than paying him only to see him get hurt and/or shut it down having now gotten his 3rd big $$$$ deal.

It's just not common to see players continue to excel on their 3rd contract. It's just a question of motivation.

This isn't like the NBA where you have Bird rights that actually encourage you to 'overpay' for your own guys and allow you to go over the cap to get those deals done. Chris Jones is, for all intents and purposes, a free agent. Oh not formally, but it's how his agents are playing it. And if Jones were a free agent, we wouldn't be saying "Oh no, if we can't get him signed, we won't get any compensation..."

No - we'd just go onto the next possible option(s). And that's just not the end of the world. Veach has shot his shot here. He appears to have been extremely aggressive in terms of AAV and guaranteed dollars. If that's not good enough, then you just have to move on.

Oh, I agree. When I say that it bothers me that we didn't get anything for him , I was referring to the fact that I was wanting to trade him last year, before the draft. But, he proved to be very instrumental in winning another Super Bowl, so I can live with the fact that we if we lose him, we're not getting anything for him, but in reality we already did, which was another Super Bowl title.

[Dante84]

IF I'M CHRIS
- Why not wait and see what the open market has to offer within the legal tampering period (Monday at noon)? Would the Chiefs really pull their best and final offer?

IF I'M VEACH
- I submit my best and final offer on Sunday, and hope Chris accepts. If he doesn't, and it floats for a day or two, I tell him I have to pursue another route.


When he hits the tampering period, he's going to see some ridiculous numbers. And then he'll have a choice - home town discount to stay, or chase the money. If he waits too long, KC will have to move on - lesson learned with OBJ last year.