Cardinals 2018 STL Cardinals Thread - Page 171

**BigRedChief** · 02:21 PM

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018

Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

**BigRedChief** · 08-01-2018, 05:39 PM

“For the most part we are still committed to trying to win”.

/Mo
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jd1020 · 08-01-2018, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

“For the most part we are still committed to trying to win”.

/Mo
Today in STL Today article

Better hope a Mike Trout drops to you in the draft.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-01-2018, 06:26 PM

Fire him.

**BigRedChief** · 08-01-2018, 08:02 PM

Fowler is the next to last worst hitter in MLB. .178. Only Chris Davis is worse. Since Matheny was fired, he has started every game. He’s hitting .200. There has been no turnaround nor improvement.

The Cardinals say there is a logjam of players in the outfield. You don’t think Bader and or O’neill improve your defense over Fowler? They Can’t hit >.200?
Your not playing to win. Don’t piss on our boots and tell us it’s raining.

jd1020 · 08-01-2018, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Fowler is the next to last worst hitter in MLB. .178. Only Chris Davis is worse. Since Matheny was fired, he has started every game. He’s hitting .200. There has been no turnaround nor improvement.

The Cardinals say there is a logjam of players in the outfield. You don’t think Bader and or O’neill improve your defense over Fowler? They Can’t hit >.200?
Your not playing to win. Don’t piss on our boots and tell us it’s raining.

I would think Bader wouldn't have anything to do with Fowler. He should be in CF.

**BigRedChief** · 08-01-2018, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I would think Bader wouldn't have anything to do with Fowler. He should be in CF.

Bader and O’neill are both CF. Both good defensively and fast.

As if on que, Bader doubles. O’neill Singles him home for the lead. O’neil Steals 2B.

Miles · 08-01-2018, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Fowler is the next to last worst hitter in MLB. .178. Only Chris Davis is worse. Since Matheny was fired, he has started every game. He’s hitting .200. There has been no turnaround nor improvement.

The Cardinals say there is a logjam of players in the outfield. You don’t think Bader and or O’neill improve your defense over Fowler? They Can’t hit >.200?
Your not playing to win. Don’t piss on our boots and tell us it’s raining.

$50+ million is a lot of shit to eat but at this point we’re are getting pretty deep into the season with no signs of life. Just looked and Chris Davis is still owed 92M after this year. Ouch.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-01-2018, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles

$50+ million is a lot of shit to eat but at this point we’re are getting pretty deep into the season with no signs of life. Just looked and Chris Davis is still owed 92M after this year. Ouch.

That's what separates teams like Boston and the Dodgers. They are willing to eat shit on a bad contract, like Carl Crawford, whereas the Cardinals won't.

They could still bring up O'Neill and give Bader run with Pham here if they were willing to eat Fowler's deal, but just like Holland, they embody the Sunk Cost Fallacy.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-01-2018, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Bader and O’neill are both CF. Both good defensively and fast.

As if on que, Bader doubles. O’neill Singles him home for the lead. O’neil Steals 2B.

O'Neill really isn't a CF, but Fowler has to play by edict, so they make two defensive positions worse at once.

Miles · 08-01-2018, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

That's what separates teams like Boston and the Dodgers. They are willing to eat shit on a bad contract, like Carl Crawford, whereas the Cardinals won't.

They could still bring up O'Neill and give Bader run with Pham here if they were willing to eat Fowler's deal, but just like Holland, they embody the Sunk Cost Fallacy.

Sandoval is another good example where Boston just cut a guy who clearly didn’t have it anymore and still had a ton left on his deal. Granted those two teams have much larger payrolls but the idea is still the same. Just because a guy is getting paid a lot isn’t a reason to let them continue to eat up space and playing time with a negative WAR.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-01-2018, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles

Sandoval is another good example where Boston just cut a guy who clearly didn’t have it anymore and still had a ton left on his deal. Granted those two teams have much larger payrolls but the idea is still the same. Just because a guy is getting paid a lot isn’t a reason to let them continue to eat up space and playing time with a negative WAR.

Yup. Bad contracts happen, but holding on to them is what really hurt this team.

**BigRedChief** · 08-02-2018, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Miles

$50+ million is a lot of shit to eat but at this point we’re are getting pretty deep into the season with no signs of life. Just looked and Chris Davis is still owed 92M after this year. Ouch.

The Cardinals and every other team received this year a one time payout of $50 million from the sale of MLB.TV software that they get to use for free in perpetuity.

Thats free found money. Use it to make one of your problems go away. Get some #20 prospect and trade him. Give the team the $50 million. Issue resolved. Addition by subtraction.

**BigRedChief** · 08-02-2018, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

I'm not mad about the Pham trade. Or J. Martinez still being a Cardinal.

I am mad about Norris being a Cardinal after today with no other moves done to improve the 25 man roster today. There's no justification as to why he's still here. His contract is up after the season. The FO had an opportunity to sell and didn't.

Yeah I liked Pham but someone had to go. He's just been too inconsistent. At 30 years old, he is what he is.

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I'm more irritated about his justification.

Moe says we're too close to contention and wants to know who would close if Norris were traded...

He still doesnt have the balls or self-awareness for this gig. I mean he was actually unnerved by the loss of Bud. ****ing. Norris.

Guys just a delusional chickenshit.

In what reality is he in? Hicks is your 9th inning guy. We just lost a prospect for 6 weeks of Norris. Really!@#??

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I saw that comment and it pissed me off as well.

If they thought they had a chance at contending, then make moves to support that notion. If you don't believe that you have a shot at contending, then cut dead weight.

This team would be better off going into 2019 with having the entire Memphis rotation handle bullpen duty with Hicks sprinkled in there than with Norris closing.

Oh, and to answer Mo's question, Leone when he comes back.

Yep, I posted my pitchers in 2019. You can never have enough pitching but we have enough to compete. As is obvious to everyone, an inconsistent offense is the issue along with a shitty defense,

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Originally Posted by BDj23

The 2nd wildcard was a mistake. Keep conceding to the Cubs and chase that last spot Mo, ya dipshit.

You play to win the game Mo!

Marcellus · 08-02-2018, 02:24 PM

Cards walk off win in the 9th after going into the inning down 2-1.

Yup they will stay just mediocre enough to miss the playoffs by 1 or 2 games.

Jewish Rabbi · 08-02-2018, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Cards walk off win in the 9th after going into the inning down 2-1.

Yup they will stay just mediocre enough to miss the playoffs by 1 or 2 games.

The good news is Matheny is already fired, if they miss out narrowly this year I don’t really care.

The better news is the team was fun to watch today. A couple of great plays by O’Neill, only 7 strikeouts instead of the 15 we were seeing earlier in the year, and Bader’s speed winning the game is a welcome change.

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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2809627 VARSITY	2018 STL Cardinals Thread Opening day lineup Fowler RF Pham CF Carpenter 3B Ozuna LF Martinez 1B Molina C Dejong SS Wong 2B Pitcher Edit: Matheny fired 07/14/2018 Opening Day Roster Spoiler! St. Louis has opted to carry 12 position players and 13 pitchers to begin the new season, with a four-man bench and eight-man bullpen. Outfielders: Dexter Fowler Tommy Pham Marcell Ozuna Infielders: Matt Carpenter Paul DeJong Kolten Wong Catchers: Yadier Molina Francisco Pena Utility: Jose Martinez Greg Garcia Yairo Munoz Jedd Gyrko Starters: Carlos Martinez Michael Wacha Luke Weaver Miles Mikolas Jack Flaherty Relievers: Dominic Leone Tyler Lyons Bud Norris Brett Cecil Sam Tuivailala Matt Bowman Jordan Hicks Mike Mayers On the DL: Adam Wainwright Luke Gregerson Last edited by BigRedChief; 07-17-2018 at 02:21 PM..
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BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $2809627 VARSITY	Fowler is the next to last worst hitter in MLB. .178. Only Chris Davis is worse. Since Matheny was fired, he has started every game. He’s hitting .200. There has been no turnaround nor improvement. The Cardinals say there is a logjam of players in the outfield. You don’t think Bader and or O’neill improve your defense over Fowler? They Can’t hit >.200? Your not playing to win. Don’t piss on our boots and tell us it’s raining. __________________ Time is worth more than money.
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