Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

The Chargers have stymied Mahomes a bit the last three times we've played them.

Derwin James is a ****ing freak. He's the reason.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

not surprised in the least you take the side of ALexians and niner's fans


huge pansy

You've never been friendly. Why would I ever take your side? Ever?? Your whole "keyboard warrior" schtick runs thin. You post like you're tough, but you're not. It's kind of pathetic, really.

If you had thicker skin, you wouldn't care that I "take the side ALexian's and niners fans" (I don't)...but you're just being a little bitch. Figured you could "handle it." And I can say that to you, whether on a keyboard or in person, because I can back it up, Mother****er. In real life, I'm anything but a huge pansy. It's well documented. So talk all the shit you want. I know what you are. Just a keyboard warrior. You feel tough typing that shit out? Does it give you a stiffy? Does it make you feel better about yourself?

Sounds like you're the one with an issue. I have no interest in going back and forth with you, at all. It's tiring. So, if I annoy you that much, just put me on ignore. It's simple. This isn't the thread for this. If you hate me that much, then just put me on ignore. No great shakes, not like I care much about what you post anyway. Then we'll both be happy.

If not, then leave me the **** alone. I'm sick of you.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by All22

No, he claimed I used an argument that was impossible to disprove. I did not.

As far as burden of proof, well, I'm new here so I can't use links in posts. I provided headlines and the information is otherwise widely reported and available.

Thats not exactly my claim. I claimed that 1) its not my burden to prove your statement is invalid, or else it suddenly is valid... and 2) I cant logically prove a negative (you asked me to prove it WASNT true) very easily....



Your evidence is based on winning %. If you go back and read my post youll see that I do not believe that winning % of the niner's opponents in a 6 game 2020 is an accurate enough measure of "toughness" to make the claim that it was the "toughest" 6 game stretch of all time. The most you can say is that you played a 6 game stretch against teams with the highest win %.


Im sorry youre not smart enough to understand or read my actual argument. But in my mind "toughness" doesnt necessarily correspond 1:1 to win %. There are some years where even 3 really good teams have been in the same division and hurt each other's winning %. There are years with a crappy division where a teams winning % is inflated.... If your ONLY measure is win % , I don't personally find that ENOUGH evidence of "the toughest 6 game streak' of all time.that is a bold clai.....because theres so many other factors involved.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

49ers fans had to put on a windbreaker their last home playoff game-Nobody has ever had it that bad before!!!!

[RaidersOftheCellar]

Originally Posted by All22

I wouldn't call the Chief's D mediocre, it's good, well above average but I wouldn't put it above the Vikings or Saints. But yes, it's more likely we blow them out than they blow us out.

According to B/R’s @MikeFreemanNFL, several assistant coaches and executives around the NFL expect Kansas City to win big against San Francisco.

Freeman is “stunned” by how confident they are ♨️ pic.twitter.com/ERaVXOft7K

— B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) January 22, 2020

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

If you had thicker skin, you wouldn't care that I "take the side ALexian's and niners fans" (I don't)...

You do. You didn't look at what I was saying. You don;t like me so you took an ALexian/ SF guys side just to spite me ..and ignored what I was actually saying in my post.


I give lots of positive and negative feedback to people. If youve been the recipient of mostly negative feedback, its because you say a lot of stupid shit in my eyes...I literally neg and pos people constantly and most people i have both neg and pos given to them. I'd bet I have given you at least ONE positive over the years....maybe?


Clearly you cant separate your butthurt from facts and logic so you jump in the arms of an alexsexual when convienient to spite someone you don;t like, even though you aren;t smart enough to actually read what is written or understand the argument.


Thats why youre a moron. Say something intelligent and you'll find that I make a friendly comment or positve rep. Talking shit about the great job the mods are doing and high fiving dipshit niners trolls is NOT the kind of posts I am going to be friendly to.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

According to B/R’s @MikeFreemanNFL, several assistant coaches and executives around the NFL expect Kansas City to win big against San Francisco.

Freeman is “stunned” by how confident they are ♨️ pic.twitter.com/ERaVXOft7K

— B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) January 22, 2020

It doesn't really surprise me. The issue with the 9ers is that their path to victory is pretty narrow. In looking over Mahomes's career, 23 points is pretty much the floor of what he's gonna score (outside of a fluky Colts game when he was banged up), and he's never lost by more than 8 points.

It's really just a matter of whether the 9ers offense can keep up. If their run game continues to be super effective, they've got a shot, but if our defense shuts that down (as they have for about 6 games in a row now), it could get ugly fast.

To put it another way, if the 9ers win, it's gonna be a dogfight. The Chiefs have the potential to turn it into a rout.

[Sassy Squatch]

Man, I wish I shared that confidence with those folks.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Derwin James is a ****ing freak. He's the reason.

And they have 2 really good corners.

They are a more balanced D than the 49ers, even if they aren’t as good.

[All22]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Thats not exactly my claim. I claimed that 1) its not my burden to prove your statement is invalid, or else it suddenly is valid... and 2) I cant logically prove a negative (you asked me to prove it WASNT true) very easily....



Your evidence is based on winning %. If you go back and read my post youll see that I do not believe that winning % of the niner's opponents in a 6 game 2020 is an accurate enough measure of "toughness" to make the claim that it was the "toughest" 6 game stretch of all time. The most you can say is that you played a 6 game stretch against teams with the highest win %.


Im sorry youre not smart enough to understand or read my actual argument. But in my mind "toughness" doesnt necessarily correspond 1:1 to win %. There are some years where even 3 really good teams have been in the same division and hurt each other's winning %. There are years with a crappy division where a teams winning % is inflated.... If your ONLY measure is win % , I don't personally find that ENOUGH evidence of "the toughest 6 game streak' of all time.that is a bold clai.....because theres so many other factors involved.

You're still mis-using the fallacies. Proving a negative would be to prove a harder stretch doesn't exist. It is absolutely possible to prove that one does does exist.

Regarding inflated winning percentages and such... We're in the best division in football. Our division was one FG away from having 3 teams in the playoffs and has repped the NFC in the Superbowl 4 of the last 7 years

[TripleThreat]

Originally Posted by All22

No, he claimed I used an argument that was impossible to disprove. I did not.

As far as burden of proof, well, I'm new here so I can't use links in posts. I provided headlines and the information is otherwise widely reported and available.

His claim was that the widely reported information is wrong. Therefore the burden of proof is with him.

The burden of proof still isn’t with him. You make a claim it’s true, he turns around and says it’s not. Your back to square 1. How entitled do you think you are? I truly hope you don’t act this way in real life. The burden of proof is always on the person presenting the fact. I’f your only evidence is, well it’s true, the information is readily available by google, anyone can say, well it’s not, the information is readily available via google. It’s not until you provide facts and data that the burden of proving you wrong falls on someone else. . .

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by TripleThreat

Actually he does.

And you are right All22 you had one of the hardest stretches in NFL history, except what pawnmower is explaining to you, is you can’t just walk in a room and say “this is true, prove me wrong” and walk out and say how right you are if no one proves you wrong. The burden of proof is set on you, providing a link, showing statistical data etc.

Your way of conversation and proving a point is actually the exact opposite of how they teach people to approach a discussion.

Furthermore, I am saying that winning % is perhaps not the best way to "prove" that that particular stretch was the "toughest"... So I guess I am disputing the entire premise that winning % is ALWAYS the best indicator of a "tough" team...My point is a team with a higher win % at a certain point in the season doesnt always mean they are the toughest or best team...depending on opponents, home/away, injury, flukey plays or luck...etc....



If you're going to make the really bold claim that that particular stretch of 6 games was the TOUGHEST not only of this year but of all time, I think it might be a good idea to have more than win % as your ammo -- otherwise just stick to the facts of that stretch was against teams who had the highest win %....

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Here's an adaptation of a question run on a local SF sport station this morning for KC fans. Would you rather your offense have the ball on their own 25 yard line with 2 minutes left in the game and down by 6, or would you rather SF have your defense on the field with SF down by 6 on their 25 yard line with 2 minutes left?

Listener responses in SF overwhelming wanted the ball down 6. What say you?

Invalid hypothetical, as we’ll be up by 10+ points with 2:00 left.

[staylor26]

I know one thing, Spags vs. Shanny Jr. is a much better matchup for us than Saleh vs. Reid is for them.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by All22

Regarding inflated winning percentages and such... We're in the best division in football. Our division was one FG away from having 3 teams in the playoffs and has repped the NFC in the Superbowl 4 of the last 7 years

Ok thats fine but then its your burden to come up with other metrics and study all of the 6 game stretches in the entire history of the NFL and prove to me that that 6 games the niners played was indeed the hardest / tough 6 games of all time. Its not my burden to do all of that work, because it isn't my ridiculous claim. You'd have to study the different eras of football and the times when there was only 3 divisions and the eras when strength of schedule actually mattered in scheduling etc...and the pre-salary cap eras when there were stacked teams with infinite budgests and easy teams....etc...


I am saying JUST looking at win % for a 6 game stretch this year for SF is not sufficient to prove your claim that this 6 games is hands down the hardest 6 in a row for ANY TEAM for ALL TIME.... and for me to disprove it is essentially not practical / possible. If you'd like to ACTUALLY prove your claim by doing all of that work and providing some other metrics and comparison of the eras...feel free. As I have explained it isn't my burden nor is it really possible (for me or most people).


Until then, in my eyes your argument that that 6 game stretch was the "toughest of all time" is not proven.