Report: Justin Jefferson Potentially on the Trade Block

[SHOWTIME]

������������: There is "steam" that the #Vikings could make WR Justin Jefferson available via trade, per @Charley_Walters pic.twitter.com/r8aLroBG2e

— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) February 25, 2024

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by tredadda

This team is deep and a quick way to stop being that is by throwing a bunch of picks at any non QB position.

That's a big **** no from me, dawg

[Chris Meck]

I like winning Super Bowls.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

If you just read CP in a vacuum, you'd think we're finishing 7-10 every year according to some of these guys. I mean, you wouldn't want to waste Mahomes ' prime or anything.

Three things I want to see for this franchise during the time we have Mahomes.

1. KC have more Lombardis than any other franchise (currently 3 away)

2. Mahomes to tie or break Brady's SB rings record.

3. Reid finish with as many rings as Bill with more playoff and regular season wins.

In order to do that this team need to be competitive year in and year out and not swing for the fences for a year or two at the cost of 2-3 down years to recover.

KC won the SB this year when by all rights they should not have. They did it because they have a very solid all around roster, an elite HC/QB/TE, and depth to offset injuries.

This is because KC made smart signings and drafted very well with a large number of picks. That gave KC the chance they needed in the playoffs where one game matters the most.

I will take that (or something along those lines) every year. Jefferson is elite, but his future salary plus the picks required for a trade for him would absolutely go against what KC has built.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

For whatever reason, Chief Fans would rather have Jefferson and his insane contract than cost-controlled years of guys like McDuffie, LJS, Bolton, Creed, Chenal, Rice, etc.

When you trade a bunch of picks for the right to give a guy a huge contract, you LOSE the building blocks of your team. It's stupid, it's lazy, and Bert isn't anywhere dumb enough to do it, fortunately.

It's the type of luxury move you can make when you have a stud QB on a rookie deal. That is not the Chiefs any more.

It's now a move you make when you HAVE to make a big move. If Kelce retires or really declines and the passing game doesn't have the juice you think it needs, then you look at moving up for a player you think is a sure thing for you, or trade for a proven commodity, or just go buy the best guy you can in FA.

Originally Posted by bigjosh

There is a 50% chance that whoever you pick ends up being a skyy moore.

Or you have a 100% chance of getting a Justin jefferson.

Cost control doesn’t mean shit if it ends up being for a bad player

Yes, you have 100 percent chance of obtaining Justin Jefferson, but he still has risks associated with him (injury, not performing at a level indicative of the market-setting deal). That factors in as well.

The bigger problem is your odds of getting a good player with each of those picks is better than 50 percent with this regime. Especially if you talk about round 1-4 picks.

2018-2023:
4 1st round picks. 1 superstar (McDuffie). 1 star (Karlaftis) 1 bust (Edwards-Helaire). 1 TBD who had a redshirt year at a deep unit. 67% hit rate
9 2nd round picks. 3 stars (Rice, Bolton, Humphrey). 4 good contributors (Cook, Gay, Thornhill, Hardman). 2 busts (Moore, Speaks). 75% hit rate

If we stop there, and look at the 12 1st and 2nd round picks you can put an honest evaluation on, the hit rate for STAR or better is 5/12, and you're at 9/12 for good contributors or better (compared to their draft slots). That's 75 percent at least being solid-starter level players, with 42% being stars or better.

The expectations for what you should get out of a pick change as you move down the rounds. But let's still look at those.

6 3rd round picks. 3 good contributors (Chenal, Saunders, Nnadi). 1 TBD (Morris). 1 average contributor (O'Daniel). 1 bust (Niang). 67% hit rate.
5 4th round picks 1 superstar (Sneed). 2 good contributors (Conner, still kind of TBD but he was excellent late in the year in an expanded role he earned, Joshua Williams). 1 average contributor (Armani Watts). 1 nonfactor (Kaindoh). 60% hit rate.
4 5th round picks 2 good contributors (Danna, Gray). 1 bust (Kinnard). 1 TBD (Thompson).
6 6th round picks 1 star (Trey Smith). 1 good contributor (Fenton). 2 average contributor (Tremon Smith, Thompson). 2 nonfactors (McKenzie, Coburn). 33% hit rate
6 7th round picks 1 star (Pacheco). 2 good contributors (Watson, Allegretti). 1 nonfactor (Keyes). 2 TBD (Jones, Johnson). 75% hit rate.

Every regime has busts. This regime has been better than a 50% average on hitting or exceeding the expectations of draft slot over 6 drafts; respective to ALL draft rounds, it hits at a higher rate than that in rounds 1-2, and it hits at a higher rate over the past 2 drafts especially.

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

When Kelce retires… and he’s 35 this October so that isn’t a distant scenario… what’s the plan to replace him as the alpha in the passing game?

The idea that Mahomes can still win despite shit WR’s has worked because of the presence of Kelce and the attention he draws from opposing defenses.

Is the assumption that Rice is capable enough to ascend to that role as soon as 2025?

Are you trusting Veach to draft a legit alpha WR or TE to replace Kelce?

The plan is to make smart investments at the receiver positions while Kelce is still here, and see how those develop/work.

If Kelce retires and they haven't identified someone who can take over as a top dog, THEN is the time to pull the emergency chute and do something drastic like trading draft capital for someone who wants a market-setting contract, or backing up the best offer to a free agent or etc.

The time to make that sort of move isn't necessarily NOW.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Yeah that’s a pretty good way of looking at it. If Kelce leaves and you still haven’t identified a sure #1 target who has some of that off-script chemistry ability that is really hard to find, maybe THEN you push some chips in to go get that guy.

But here’s the thing. Rice is already showing signs of being one of those guys who can play on and off script. In the playoffs, he was really starting to show that chemistry they had developed together.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

You are 1 for 1 in promoting shitty offense and punting.

It was super convenient for your bitch ass to disappear during the period when we beat your scary Ravens.

OBJ, Bateman, and Duvernay - your very whatever-for-anyone-but-you crushes - were ****ing invisible.

Congrats on the Ravens for their investments at WR! It gave them absolutely zero in the most important game of the year!

Care to comment on that, beta?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

You can look at these last few drafts for KC and skin the cat a few different ways but for me, the way I view it, and I honestly think this is how Veach would see it too — is the success rate of his picks has established a massive room for error in say, the next two years.

If he has a bad draft in 2024? It would suck, but it’s not gonna necessarily prevent them from winning the Super Bowl again next year or any year after. These last few drafts have been that good.

However, if you flip a haul for JJ and then sign him for $33 million AAV or whatever… all that good will and room for error you created is now gone. Sure the good picks they’ve had make a trade a little bit more feasible to stomach in the present term, but you’re back to normal operating ground where a bad draft could set you up for a major uphill battle to contention in 2026-2027.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

It was super convenient for your bitch ass to disappear during the period when we beat your scary Ravens.

OBJ, Bateman, and Duvernay - your very whatever-for-anyone-but-you crushes - were ****ing invisible.

Congrats on the Ravens for their investments at WR! It gave them absolutely zero in the most important game of the year!

Care to comment on that, beta?

I didn't disappear.

I got a 30 day vacation for some post I never saw.

I wanted to stay on and win the Betting Pool but I was taken out before I got my chance to win it.

But thanks for just making up shit again as usual.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

You can look at these last few drafts for KC and skin the cat a few different ways but for me, the way I view it, and I honestly think this is how Veach would see it too — is the success rate of his picks has established a massive room for error in say, the next two years.

If he has a bad draft in 2024? It would suck, but it’s not gonna necessarily prevent them from winning the Super Bowl again next year or any year after. These last few drafts have been that good.

However, if you flip a haul for JJ and then sign him for $33 million AAV or whatever… all that good will and room for error you created is now gone. Sure the good picks they’ve made make a trade a little bit more feasible to stomach in the present term, but you’re back to normal operating ground where a bad draft could set you up for a major uphill battle to contention in 2026-2027.

Yup.

Just keep stacking good drafts. Take enough high picks at WR/TE and you’ll hit on enough of them to make things work.

[scho63]

I would love to know the last 10-15 WR studs drafted after late 2nd round.

That means they are there for us when it's our turn.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by scho63

I would love to know the last 10-15 WR studs drafted after late 2nd round.

That means they are there for us when it's our turn.

In Jefferson’s class alone, the following receivers were all selected between picks 22 and 34 overall:

Jefferson
Brandon Aiyuk
Tee Higgins
Michael Pittman

That’s a draft slot that’s within KC’s striking range and we’d all be more than thrilled to have any one of those players on a rookie deal. Would their draft choice turn out to be that good? Time will tell, but it’s the most ideal path to follow for team building purposes.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I didn't disappear.

I got a 30 day vacation for some post I never saw.

I wanted to stay on and win the Betting Pool but I was taken out before I got my chance to win it.

But thanks for just making up shit again as usual.

You just stopped posting. It wasn’t hard to observe that you had disappeared during the team’s most impressive stretch of the season.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Mahomes has won 0 zero SB's without a HOF WR.

Mahomes has won zero SBs without Mecole Hardman, a WR that you point to as a miss in the Veach era at each and every opportunity.

See how simplistically stupid your arguments are when they’re countered by something like that?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

You just stopped posting. It wasn’t hard to observe that you had disappeared during the team’s most impressive stretch of the season.

Not by choice.

Look at my post count.


It was fine though, I just made money betting and being right.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Not by choice.

Look at my post count.


It was fine though, I just made money betting and being right.

Not by choice? I don’t know, man. Were you just so afraid during the playoffs that you were frozen in fear and couldn’t post? Did the mighty Ravens make you feel so uncomfortable? We really missed you during that one after you spent the entire season endlessly shuddering.

Glad you won some money. I hope it covers your therapy sessions.