***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by petegz28

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/dow-...ss-claims.html

And right after that we get this....

Stocks rebound after Gilead says coronavirus drug may still benefit patients

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/dow-...ss-claims.html

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by petegz28

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/dow-...ss-claims.html

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You should quote the entire article.

Meh, was sparing people a lot of stock market speak

[petegz28]

New cases in NY 6,700+...they are going the wrong way

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We might not be able to for hospitalizations anymore in NYC, because their practice seems to have changed. They are sending patients home they would have hospitalized earlier.

Apparently, that's also one of the reasons why the resource use model was so far off- they based resource use for future patients on patients in the initial surge.

That is where Italy made their biggest mistake, they hospitalized many COVID patients that could have recovered at home.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You should quote the entire article.

My bad, I thought I had pasted this part too....

Gildead said that the WHO document had “inappropriate characterisations of the study,” according to the FT. “As such, the study results are inconclusive, though trends in the data suggest a potential benefit for remdesivir, particularly among patients treated early in disease,” the company said in a statement.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

My bad, I thought I had pasted this part too....

To be candid, almost every drug works this way: giving it earlier in the course will lead to better outcomes than later (but that doesn't mean early treatment is beneficial) . It might be Gilead doing CYA- we don't have the data to know.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

New cases in NY 6,700+...they are going the wrong way

IMO thats the weekend lag on testing. but admittedly i havent been keeping track of those numbers day to day and week to week enough to be sure

[TLO]

So a simpletons summary might suggest that this thing is already much more widespread than we previously thought possible?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

So a simpletons summary might suggest that this thing is already much more widespread than we previously thought possible?

Uh, pretty much.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

Uh, pretty much.

Which I think we've discussed, but is both good and bad.

Good - the number of serious cases is lower than anticipated.
Bad - there's a higher chance that there's people out there spreading it

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Monticore

one article in found on stroke and influenza that explains some of the reasons there may be more out there .

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/n...artery-tears#1

in short these Viruses can wreak havoc on your body making anything possible, depending on your risk factors/health. The only thing we know at this point is it doesn't give orgasms.

Shit! My last shred of hope, utterly destroyed.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

Which I think we've discussed, but is both good and bad.

Good - the number of serious cases is lower than anticipated.
Bad - there's a higher chance that there's people out there spreading it

By the time you get to the point where you're seeing this many cases, it's exploded way farther than you ever knew.

At this point, it's everywhere.

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

IMO thats the weekend lag on testing. but admittedly i havent been keeping track of those numbers day to day and week to week enough to be sure

Yeah exactly. Same with California's numbers. There is a backlog in tests.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

NFL Draft cost covid it's thread burst

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

By the time you get to the point where you're seeing this many cases, it's exploded way farther than you ever knew.



At this point, it's everywhere.

It's why I'm watching Sweden closely. My only real hope that this thing might end early is that we might reach herd immunity faster than expected. I'm certainly not counting on it, but otherwise we have little hope but being in it until a vaccine is widely available.