Netflix: Making a Murderer

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

If he actually killed her, it ****ing blows my mind why that dipshit didn't crush her car and incinerate her body and belongings in the Smelter.

It's a salvage yard. The perfect place to make a murder disappear.

Burning the body but keeping the car makes zero sense. Also, using a burn pit but not the incinerator on the property.

[rocknrolla]

Originally Posted by BigMeatballDave

If he actually killed her, it ****ing blows my mind why that dipshit didn't crush her car and incinerate her body and belongings in the Smelter.

It's a salvage yard. The perfect place to make a murder disappear.

If he did do it, he deserves to be locked up for stupidity.

[The Rick]

Rebutting a Murderer:

Making a Murderer is a national obsession—a riveting, visually stunning masterpiece of documentary filmmaking.

But it is also one of the more slanted, one-sided pieces of storytelling in recent memory, so Dan O'Donnell goes episode-by-episode through it to systematically dismantle the series' vague allegations of a conspiracy by the Manitowoc County Sheriff's Department to frame Steven Avery.

Over the course of these 10 episodes, Dan rebuts each one of Making a Murderer's claims and outlines the the evidence that the show omitted--evidence that proves once and for all that Avery and his nephew Brendan Dassey raped and killed Teresa Haibach.

http://www.newstalk1130.com/onair/co...erer-14280387/

[notorious]

I see another 10 part series coming.


"The other side of 'Making a Murderer'"

Profit.

[GloucesterChief]

LOL at reporter basing his thinking of guilt being the Dassey confession, which the prosecution never submitted as evidence because the defense would rip it apart. What they got from it was poisoning the well of public perception before the trial.

It isn't coercion that is the issue, no one is saying he was coerced . It is that the detectives were feeding him all the details. He should go read up on the actual psychological studies about children being interrogated. They have a large need to please who they see as being authority figures to the point of making up stories that no reasonable person would believe because the authority figure suggested it. Same goes with the mentally impaired with low IQs. The satanic child abuse hysteria should of disabused any serious court of the notion. The Dassey confession basically reads like the detectives giving a lot of exposition with Dassey replying with one word or one sentence answers. Not exactly going into great detail.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by GloucesterChief

LOL at reporter basing his thinking of guilt being the Dassey confession, which the prosecution never submitted as evidence because the defense would rip it apart. What they got from it was poisoning the well of public perception before the trial.

It isn't coercion that is the issue, no one is saying he was coerced . It is that the detectives were feeding him all the details. He should go read up on the actual psychological studies about children being interrogated. They have a large need to please who they see as being authority figures to the point of making up stories that no reasonable person would believe because the authority figure suggested it. Same goes with the mentally impaired with low IQs. The satanic child abuse hysteria should of disabused any serious court of the notion. The Dassey confession basically reads like the detectives giving a lot of exposition with Dassey replying with one word or one sentence answers. Not exactly going into great detail.

The way those two cops treated that kid, knowing full well his mental capacity, is downright criminal.

[Trivers]

Just drove by the protest gathering point.

Clear and cold. 11 degrees.

One hour until protest starts.

NOBODY in parking lot.....except for four news trucks. One is from MKE..two hours away.

I guess the demands of outrage are easy to have when you are behind a keyboard...and not out in the cold.

Had breakfast this AM with someone who grew up knowing the Avery family. She absolutely believes that he is guilty. Apparently, he is an mean and abusive person.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Trivers

Just drove by the protest gathering point.

Clear and cold. 11 degrees.

One hour until protest starts.

NOBODY in parking lot.....except for four news trucks. One is from MKE..two hours away.

I guess the demands of outrage are easy to have when you are behind a keyboard...and not out in the cold.

Had breakfast this AM with someone who grew up knowing the Avery family. She absolutely believes that he is guilty. Apparently, he is an mean and abusive person.

The Averys from my understanding had a bad reputation in town so it doesn't surprise me locals and the cops would think he did it which is more than likely why the real killer may have targeted him as a person to set up. Also it is my belief that that is one of the reasons the corrupt cops planted evidence. They truly believe he did it.

No question Avery was not a saint. I believe that completely. But to be fair you do 18 years in state prison surrounded by killers, drug dealers and rapists chances are you are when you get out you are not going to be Mr Nice Guy. He probably had a lot of anger at the world, I know I would. That doesn't mean he raped and killed that girl.

Also if he was that much of a psychopath I would think the first person on his list to kill would be the person who identified him as a rapist sending him to prison for 18 years, not some girl he barely knew.

[ragedogg69]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

likely why the real killer may have targeted him as a person to set up. Also it is my belief that that is one of the reasons the corrupt cops planted evidence. They truly believe he did it.

I find it really hard to believe that a guy killed the girl only to frame Avery. I agree more with the latter part. I could easily see the corrupt cops finding her murdered body in her the Rav4 elsewhere. Knowing they have a 30 million dollar knife coming at them, they take advantage of Avery being a POI. Cleaning the SUV, burning her body in the quarry then dumping it and the car on his property in the middle of the night and just wait for someone to find it 2 days later is possible.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by ragedogg69

I find it really hard to believe that a guy killed the girl only to frame Avery. I agree more with the latter part. I could easily see the corrupt cops finding her murdered body in her the Rav4 elsewhere. Knowing they have a 30 million dollar knife coming at them, they take advantage of Avery being a POI. Cleaning the SUV, burning her body in the quarry then dumping it and the car on his property in the middle of the night and just wait for someone to find it 2 days later is possible.

It may be contradictory but I agree with this too -- Avery's defense never came up with an alternative method for the victims body and car to end up on his property.

Guilty.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

It may be contradictory but I agree with this too -- Avery's defense never came up with an alternative method for the victims body and car to end up on his property.

Guilty.

the other dassey kid and the step dad did it. Cops had minimal evidence and planted enough to secure a conviction. Knowing that there was most likely a huge settlement coming out of the county the judge and prosecutors didn't push too hard against the evidence hoping their yearly raises continued.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

It may be contradictory but I agree with this too -- Avery's defense never came up with an alternative method for the victims body and car to end up on his property.

Guilty.

They weren't allowed to bring up other suspects.

And oddly enough the documentary doesn't either. The creepy ex b/f who lead the search seemed sketchy to me. The former cop/current sheriff seemed sketchy to me.

IIRC the prosecution/investigation never even interviewed friends or family of the victim which is where the guilty party comes from in most cases.

[Trivers]

Originally Posted by ragedogg69

I find it really hard to believe that a guy killed the girl only to frame Avery. I agree more with the latter part. I could easily see the corrupt cops finding her murdered body in her the Rav4 elsewhere. Knowing they have a 30 million dollar knife coming at them, they take advantage of Avery being a POI. Cleaning the SUV, burning her body in the quarry then dumping it and the car on his property in the middle of the night and just wait for someone to find it 2 days later is possible.

pardon me, are you merely drunk or just stoned as to write such stupid prose??

[ragedogg69]

Originally Posted by Trivers

pardon me, are you merely drunk or just stoned as to write such stupid prose??

lol. which part? that I dont think a murderer targeted and framed Avery? Or that i find corrupt cops were probably corrupt more likely? but your dickish response works too.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by ragedogg69

I find it really hard to believe that a guy killed the girl only to frame Avery. I agree more with the latter part. I could easily see the corrupt cops finding her murdered body in her the Rav4 elsewhere. Knowing they have a 30 million dollar knife coming at them, they take advantage of Avery being a POI. Cleaning the SUV, burning her body in the quarry then dumping it and the car on his property in the middle of the night and just wait for someone to find it 2 days later is possible.

I don't think he necessarily targeted him to frame him. I think the real rapist simply thought "how can I get away with a rape/murder? Who would be the best person who the cops/town would blame it on?"

Steven Avery is an easy target if you are a smart criminal. All you have to do is look at his first case. The guy had 16 people who were an alibi for him and he still got convicted. People in that town did not have a high opinion of him or his family. Smart criminals are not on a timeline. They can wait years to plan out a murder or rape... Maybe the guy who actually did this did just that and seized the opportunity...

The scariest part of this case is that if Avery is innocent the guy who actually did this is still out there and probably planning another rape and murder.