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It makes no sense to me that "the best way to help the run D is putting Jones on the outside." He was completely out of position the entire game. |
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Here's hoping they coach him up there, because he wasn't great. |
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Anyway, I agree with a lot of this post. I personally value edgerushers a lot more than the current Chiefs apparently do. It is a philosophical difference I have with them. |
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Tell you what, I'll rewatch that Titans game, and report back on Jones' alignments and such. I'll start a new thread when I do.
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Ryne Nutt was the southeast scout I believe when Jones was drafted. He was asked about a comparison and he mentioned a couple of good players and purposely didn’t compare him to a couple great players. He mentioned Marcus Stroud and Haynesworth(but quick to say haynesworth the player not the shitty attitude). And John Henderson he was dominant until a back injury. All the reporters were waiting for him to call him the next Richard Seymour but he wasn’t going to put that kind of pressure on him. It’s like comparing Mahomes to Favre and doing it publicly in front of the local media and not just privately.
That’s what he’s become though is a modern day Richard Seymour. And like Richard started off in a 3-4 and moved to a 4-3 when he got traded to Oakland and played much more DE there and then compared to where he will play now. But I don’t see Jones getting the same high percentage snaps at End as Seymour did. Just comparing he is athletic enough to do it and be very successful It’s not reinventing the wheel. Reggie White in Green Bay played strong side end because of his size and length and what that did to boost their run defense. He slid back inside in obvious pass situations. Justin Tuck and those type of comps is different because you’re talking about a capable DE who is physically tough enough to play inside and allow you more athleticism on pass downs. Similar to moving Jones around just for different reasons. Hell, Neil Smith occasionally slid inside to DT and was like Jones with a knack for knocking down passes. But an all pro if you leave his ass outside at DE. What you’re not bright enough to see is these are different looks for the QB Entire OL RB offensive coordinator and whole offensive staff. To cause chaos and confusion pre snap and their whole week of film prep for that matter. You’re not bright enough to see the DL like a bullpen in baseball. You have your prototype that spags likes but also someone like Danna who you hope opponents breathe a sigh of relief when he comes in because he is smaller shorter armed but he’s tough and smart and competes very. Wharton is like a young John Randle. What more do you need to say when you have a Seymour comp and a John randle comp with some guys that are very athletic and have piled up their own sack stats when healthy which is another thread all in itself. The rest need more experience and snaps but have a great scouting and coaching staff. For most of us to enjoy them while they’re here. Most of us anyway. Most of us look at the arrowhead pride twinks and the like of amateur podcast stuff as a small piece of the pie and take them for what their worth. Sometimes more informative than others and for some it will give them a way to understand the game better but that’s not important as long as you enjoy it. What I find dumb and different people are going to feel different is this recreating football discussion and trying to turn it into some form of football intellect which is pure donkey shit. It just douches up everything. Like smelling your own farts and coming up with fancy names to attach to the fragrances. If you try to put your own douchey touches and give everyone a golden shower of your football intellect don’t be surprised when they call you out on it. We’ve been following this team and league for more years than we would like to admit and it’s just fine with the X’s and O’s not being all dramatically rewritten
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I also think it’s hilarious that you think 1 ****ing game from 2 years ago means anything. Jones is going to have a lot more practice and a much more defined role at DE with a full offseason of practicing and working on it. That’s entirely different from throwing him out there randomly in 1 game against one of the best RT’s in football. Last edited by staylor26; 06-18-2021 at 01:21 PM.. |
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This thread made my eyes bleed.
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The pass rush is probably a lot weaker in that scenario. Chris Jones isn’t bending the edge like a normal end and Nnadi is not a good rusher.
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This is about putting your best 2 run stuffers on the inside on early downs. That’s Nnadi and Reed. Jones has never been a great run defender inside. He has much more potential on early downs at DE/5T though. If he can be a good run defender there and allow Nnadi and Reed to play inside, then slide inside on passing downs, that’s absolutely ideal given our personnel. You seriously do not have a ****ing clue and it couldn’t be more obvious. Last edited by staylor26; 06-18-2021 at 01:34 PM.. |
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JFC it’s like some of you don’t even pay attention to what is being said, you just keep saying the same shit over and over again. The Chiefs will do that against running teams, not passing teams. If the Chiefs are daring you to pass, it’s because they don’t believe you can beat them that way. This isn’t ****ing rocket science. If the Browns want to try to beat us throwing the ball as opposed to running it, by all means, go right on ahead. I also don’t believe that our pass rush drops off THAT much. Reed, Clark, and Jones will be able to get to the QB. It’s not like we will have no pass rush with that group. |
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Moving him to a new position he's never seriously played and asking him to do something he wasn't good at at the position he conquered is, as I said, a man-sized if. |
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Obviously it's all matchups, however let's hold off from definitively saying "this is how it's going to be" when we literally won't know until the bullets start flying in Week 1.
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I'm really late to this thread, but I hope the move to DE works out. I think Jones' unique strength is his burst up the middle and power. He doesn't bend at corners like a classic edge rusher.
He's unique in that he's not built like a classic tackle, but he seems too big to be a 4-3 end. I wonder if that's part of his magic, in that he's not like any other guys that offensive linemen see on film. But I worry a little bit about him at end. Tackles are going to be quicker against his burst, and after that it's going to be all about power, where it helps to be lined up closer to the QB.
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Jones just has to be adequate and that group will be very difficult to run against. |
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